輪迴轉世的演化（完整）

 Desteni呈獻  跨維度門戶訪談  

輪迴轉世的演化  第一部份  

2009 年 6 月 9 日

譯註：胃酶（Stomach Enzymes）作用為分解食物  

這裡是胃酶，進行關於輪迴轉世的演化的訪談，

有一種「情況」一直在發展，經由時間：

當存有們過渡（*死）時，從物質現實進入跨維度界的現實，一種分離出現了，到了那些存在於跨維度存在界的存有們「遺忘」的程度，無論是被迫的還是故意（遺忘了）關於物質界的事物，並在跨維度存在界中繼續處於他們「天堂般的世界」當中，單純地任由物質界處於其之缺陷當中。而那些存在於並屬於物質界的人事物，也就是一切萬有和每個人，繼續他們的「生命」體驗，彷彿：他們在自己內在、在自己的「個人世界」中所「體驗」到的就是「存在的一切」。

長久以來，跨維度存在界一直與物質存在界分離，這相當‘令人擔憂’，因為——存在於這世上的所有存有們之中的一種體驗是什麼？他們想離開這裡，但卻沒有任何人/事物找到一個解決方案，一個在這個物質現實中平等地考慮所有生命的實用解決方案；每個人、每件事物都只是想逃跑、離去、退出，從而進入跨維度存在界的天堂般的體驗當中。

然而，尚未被察覺的是，跨維度存在界是「顯化的幻象」，與你的心靈沒有什麼不同，而那物質現實才是真實的。長久以來，我們一直在試圖「逃避」、「退出」、「擺脫」那真實的事物，也就是這個現實，以便在幻境中繼續處於天堂般的極樂體驗。一個「幻夢」……那不是真的，它不是有形的，也不是可觸摸的，這已經被證明了：在這裡一同處於這物質現實與世界的全體中，看不見跨維度存在界；許多人因為這個「原因」而「相信」它不存在，而它確實不存在了。

當你過渡時，你成為了心智現實，你在這世上所活於其中的幻覺——其與物質界分離。現在，在這個我們（整體存在界）正在進行的進程中，正在活出並實行的是帶來「地球如同天界」的狀態，即跨維度存在界及物質現實成為一體平等地在這裡顯化；如今，已經不存在分離（獨立）的跨維度現實，但對於那些「相信」並已經過渡的存有來說，他們仍然是「維度界性質的」。

意思是：已經不存在分離（獨立）的跨維度存在界，無論是現實或「天堂」了。這樣的情況已經持續很久了，跨維度存有們正處於「將自己帶進地球」的進程中，透過與物質界融合並作為它，以便再次變得真實，再次處於「這裡」，不再僅僅作為幻覺、夢境、思維而存在……即當你過渡時，你會成為那些事物（幻象）；你縮減了，在某種程度上，你不再是真實的，你不再是物質性的，你不再是現實，不再是這個物質實體化的存在。

（*接取：進入/介入/接觸）

因此，*接取物質界、進入真實（即這裡）的唯一途徑，是透過輪迴轉世，即透過投胎，也就是一個存有將融入一個嬰兒的身體。然而，對於……如果我們全體都必須以這種方式轉世、透過投胎，以進入物質界這裡，達成全體平等一體，那就需要花上數十億年，甚至數兆年。因此，我們需要一種我們一直在走的不同途徑，以便融合進入並作為物質界，與之成為一體平等。

現在，正如我在採訪開始時所說的，有一些關於那（*進入並作為物質界）的狀況，因為被跨維度存在界以及從物質界中過渡的跨維度存在著的存有們所錯失的是：實用性，在物質界中變得實用（務實有效）。因為要明白，在跨維度存在界中，沒有空間和時間，一切都是『立即』的，而且……成為那種「量子表現」到了這樣的程度：你無法在物質界的、實際的、時空連續體中「運作」……

我會在下一次採訪中繼續。謝謝

輪迴轉世的演化  -第二部份  -2009 年 6 月 9 日

我在先前的訪談結束時提出了，當你作為跨維度存有時，你變得量子化，讓你自己在三維物質界這裡「具實際性」是極其困難的。

所以，在這個存在界全體目前參與的進程中，跨維度存在界融合進物質界與其一體平等，以便領悟自己，意味著再次變得真實；而做到這點的唯一方法就是與物質界站處於一體平等。這個進程對人類來說是相同的：本質上，人類處於他們自己的跨維度存在界中，在他們自己的天堂中，也就是被顯化的幻象、心智之設計；人類目前與他們存在作為的物質現實世界是分離的。因而，本質上存在界全體目前都在走完全相同的進程，也就是回歸根源，即地球——是我們的來源，我們的本質。

現在，跨維度存在界已經走過大量進程，試圖與物質界融合，但沒有成功；我們已經確定了問題之所在，就是要在三維物質界具實際性。什麽是實際性，什麽是作為物質界的實際性？從某個角度來看，我們的選擇在過去與現在都非常有限，因為你要如何協助數億乃至數兆的跨維度存有們去理解三維物質界的實際性的真正意義？活出物質性、與物質界平等如一是什麽意思？正如我之前所說，透過投胎轉世需要非常非常長的時間，而我們沒有那個時間；因為我們存有體的本性就是（習慣）在自私自利和求生存中浪費和破壞。

所以，我們決定：轉世的演化是存有們轉世進入與成為人體的酶，特別是在胃部內的，因為這將幫助和支持領悟與理解三維物質界的實際性真正確切的涵義。原因以及方式如下：所有跨維度的存有現在都轉世進入與成為胃酶，由此他們將實際體驗消化食物的過程，以及人類物質身體之內及其本身在胃部消化食物過程中所涉及的一切事物，然後產出所謂的糞便形式的產物。

為什麽？許多事物已被存在界的全體視為理所當然的，這也包括我們所作為的胃酶。我們甚至沒有發覺到或理解人體的實際功能，也就是實際上：人體的每個部份所存在作為的，必須一體平等地發揮作用和合作，才能維持其物質表現形式。

讓我用這個說法跟你解釋：如果存在界現在以它當前存在的方式被顯化為一個人類物質身體，它會立即死亡、立即地，因為其自身當中沒有一個部份在它顯化的位置與方式中與其自身是一體平等的；存在界中沒有任何一個部份目前正在以一體平等的方式一起合作與生活。

因此，從本質上來說，這個進程的整體涵義在於將：存在界的全體——每一個微小的部份、現象、顯化物、表現、運動，以及當前在此存在的一切萬有（跨維度界的、物質界的）——顯化為絕對立足於一體平等當中，好讓我們成為一體平等地處於並等於物質界。這意味著什麽？當我們將自己化為人類物質身體型態時，我們所作為的人類物質身體，將可以確實地繼續存在下去，確實地活下去，而不是像現在這樣將會立即死亡。

所以，跨維度存在界的存有們轉世成為胃酶，以了解實際物質性的一起合作意味著什麽。例如，如果一種酶不能在其當前的顯化形式中發揮其應有的作用與完成它的效用，整個連鎖的影響將會顯現出來，這將使其它胃內的一部份酵素失效，及使腸道運動無法發揮其作用；因為食物消化過程中需要被完成的整體工作中的一個部份沒有完成它的效用，它會影響整個人類物質身體。僅僅因為胃裡的一組簡單酵素沒有一起合作。在人體內部，跨維度存在界可以學習、理解，然後領悟一體平等的合作、生活、存在，以及與自己平等如一的意義，並相應地完成你的那部份的責任。

還有，當每個人都一體平等地完成他們那部份的責任、一體平等地合作，如果他們不這樣做，後果會是什麽？我的意思是，舉例來說，在人類物質身體之內，如果心臟突然決定「你知道嗎，我不要完成我的職責」，那整個物質人類身體都會死亡。這與依賴無關，而是關於平等和一體，我們全體都在這裡；如果一個部份沒有承擔它的責任，那麽全體都會受到牽連和影響。這在當前的世界現況中可以清楚地看見。

好的，我會在下次訪談繼續說明，謝謝。

輪迴轉世的演化-第3部份-2009 年 6 月 9 日

這是胃酶在繼續訪談，因此這就是我們所提倡的，而實際上我們已經在活出它：一體平等之必要性的內核。

所有此刻在這裡處於物質界中、作為物質界的我們，所有的部分、所有實化體、所有存有、所有事物，根據他們的位置、他們所是者、以及他們的功用，在一體平等原則中進行運作。我們全體一體平等地存在，並且我們可以真正成為一個能夠活著的人類物質身體。

如我所說過的，反之我們會即刻死亡並停止存在——這適用於存在的一切萬有。而這也是跨維度存在界此刻需要理解的：所謂「物質的、實際的、在此一體平等」的意義，即是要領悟到，如果我沒有承擔起我的責任，顧及到等如於我的，存在於這個物質界當中的每個部份，以及等如於我存在於人體的每個部分，我將造成一個缺失與連鎖反應，此連鎖反應將波及並影響我在物質身體中的所有部分，而這僅是一小部分。

如我在前次訪談中提到的，比方說，若肝臟停止運作，只說一句：「你知道嗎？我受夠了，我想死、想離開、想走了，所以我走了」，整個物質人體便會停止運作。

這就是為何這個物質現實世界正逐漸衰敗——因為存在於其中每個部分，都如同人類物質身體，毫無區別；所有人都在退出、離開，這就像一個物質人體正緩慢卻必然地、慢性地步向死亡。

我們一直想退出、放棄、離開。這正是所有人透過死亡在做的事，而由此忽視了賦予我們生命的實體化的身體——是物質（身體）賦予了你生命。死亡就是死亡；當你死了，你就死了。你過渡後，你即成為死亡本身，你成為幻象，不再真實，這即是死亡的含義。你從活著的、在這裡的物質身體中死去；當你出生，你將生命呼吸進入自身，即在這裡的物質身體。

因此，我建議我們所有人，給予自己機會再次回歸自己，也就是回歸物質身體、這個現實，不要再忽視或忽略它——亦即不要再忽視或忽略我們自己：那唯一賦予我們生命的實體化、活著的表現，就是這物質現實。

我們存在於其中，卻沒有存在等如它，這表示沒有一體平等，我們沒有真的就是它。要領悟到，此存在界確實如同一個物質人體：所有的部分並沒有在平等一體中共同運作，也沒有承擔他們的責任，顧及到存在等如他們的萬有。所有人只是離開、走開，並在他們求生存與追求私利的日常中各行其事，沒有考慮或顧及到任何的其他人事物。這就像一個物質人體正在死去，這個世界的現況就是如此。

因此，轉世的演化處於並等如胃酶，正產出我們此刻所存在作為的——屎。

我們是屎，滿身是屎，且持續製造屎。這個現實、這個物質界，此刻就是個屎坑。這樣的存在界是不可被接受與不公義的，我們都不願意繼續這樣的存在下去，我們不能、也做不到，因為我們只會持續地摧毀與消耗掉我們自己。

解決之道在於一體平等，從物質界中誕生自己為生命，但我們必須真的去做，為了自己、也為了存在等如於我們的一切萬有，將屎轉化為生命，而非從屎到更悲慘，再到徹底、真確的——為時已晚、無法再被修正或改變的災難。不要讓我們走到為時已晚的階段，屆時將必須面對羞恥與悔恨，並必須全部重頭來過。

讓我們站立起來，讓我們成為物質性的、實際的；讓我們在感恩與寬恕中回歸本源，並真正地活。而這適用於存在界中的萬有與全體，包含了在胃酶當中走進程的跨維度存在界。

即此刻正在與你們溝通、且具備覺知的我——（*存在界）每個部分都是具有覺知的。

好的，非常感謝。

憂鬱症是你試圖控制旁人的一種手段 Depression is an attempt to control people in your environment

Desteni呈獻  

憂鬱症是你試圖控制旁人的一種手段 

Depression is an attempt to control people in your environment.

主講：伯納德普爾曼（Bernard Poolman）2011年3月11日  

正文：

「憂鬱症是你試圖控制旁人的一種手段。」我在某個聊天群組中簡短提及此事，現在我看到它在臉書上被傳播。有必要澄清，因為有些人尚未理解這些話的完整脈絡。仔細看，無論你如何看待憂鬱，在其內部存在一場對話，無論那是一種感受、一個觀點、想像或實際的自我對話，或是捲曲與內縮的身體動作，無論是什麼形式，在憂鬱的過程中，都存在著某種自我批判。而這一切，始終是為了獲取關注。也就是說，試圖獲取關注等同於試圖控制成果。這通常與你的觀點有關：認為某個事物、某人或某種情況應當為你的快樂負責。因此，這裡完全不存在自我主控。  

Depression is an attempt to control people in your environment.

I made a short statement in one of the chats and I see it's running around on Facebook. It's necessary to clarify because some haven't grasped the context of all the words. Have a look, regardless of how you look at depression, there is a conversation happening within, whether it is a feeling, it's a point of view, it is visual or actual self-talk, or physical movement in crouching or internalizing, whatever it is, there is a form of self-judgment taking place during the process of depression. And all of it, at all times, is an attempt to gain attention. That means, the attempt to gain attention is the attempt to control outcomes. And it is normally to do with one's view that something else or someone else or some situation is actually responsible to make you happy. So there is no self-mastery whatsoever.  

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而你給出的藉口是「其他人也這樣」，或是「你顯然缺乏做任何事的紀律」。這與紀律無關，而是關於自我主控。紀律是「因無法自立而跟隨他人」的過程。自我主控是「與他人同行時仍能自立」的狀態。因此，當你甚至尚未考慮過自我主控時，紀律是必要的。你只考慮到了自己正在自我破壞、自我毀滅，而你因此陷入憂鬱。你因此，根據你自己的衡量標準，不平等於並且無用於這世上的任何事物。你自認低人一等。這種比較與批判是你自己創造的，而這批判本身即是憂鬱的成因。  

And the excuse is given that it's happening to others as well, and the excuse is given that apparently you haven't got the discipline to do anything. It's not about discipline. It's about self-mastery. Discipline is a process where you follow somebody because you can't stand on your own two feet. Self-mastery is where you walk with somebody and you stand on your two feet. So discipline is necessary where you have not even considered self-mastery yet. You are only considering that you are self-sabotaging yourself and you are destructive, and you are therefore in a depression. You are therefore, according to your own measurement, not effective or equal in this world to anything. You are less than. You have created that analogy, that judgment yourself. And that judgment in itself is the cause of the depression.  

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有時它源自（身體的）化學失調，而這幾乎全因缺乏有效的營養所致。於是你的身體感到沉重，接著你將此誤認為憂鬱。然後你會對此產生概念、你會反覆思考它，接著你會製造出與身體問題相應的精神失調。說到底，這只是缺乏自我主控。有人在支援著你，你卻不傾聽他們，這便是缺乏自我紀律，因為你沒有跟隨為你指路之人。你在尚未與任何事物一體平等時，就試圖用自己的方式行事。因此你必然跌落，並吸引一群同樣跌落的追隨者，並且也摧毀了他人的機會。接著你便能大談「缺乏紀律與主控」的廢話，而非學習最基本的道理。  

It is sometimes the result of a chemical dysfunction, which is based in virtually all cases on a lack of effective nutrition. So you will have a physical heaviness, and then you will confuse that with depression. Then you will have an idea about it, you will think about it, and you will create the mental disorder as well to go with the physical disorder. I mean, that is really actually only a lack of self-mastery. And where you have some support and you don't listen to the support, then it's a lack of self-discipline, because you are not following somebody that is showing you a way. You are trying to do it your own way when you are not one and equal to anything yet. And therefore you will fall regardless, and you will actually create a following of fallen ones, and also destroy other people's opportunities. And then you can talk about all your bullshit of no discipline and no mastery, instead of learning the most basic thing.  

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如果你正在跌落，這沒什麼好自豪的。保持沉默，改變自己吧。當你改變且活出自身效力時，那才值得分享。屆時你才能談論過去的跌落並解釋它，但此時你已站穩。若你談論自己如何跌落且尚未站起，且沒有在自我主控中保持清明，沒有一體平等的處於「符合全體最佳利益」的團體中，那你其實是在欺騙他人。顯然，這也是在欺騙自己，因你自欺並用忙於「進程」來狡辯。不，你只是在搞砸自己。你說出的那些廢話，就像某種形式的公開強暴，因你將舌頭塞進自己耳朵。你是在移除你的大腦與身體的清明，移除任何進展的潛力。而最終你會發現自己不斷重蹈覆轍，你將無法主控自身的任何部分，並會持續陷入相同循環。  

If you are falling, it's nothing to be proud about. Remain silent and change yourself. And in your change and the movement of the effectiveness of yourself, there it's worth sharing. Then you can talk about how you used to fall and explain that, but you are already standing. If you talk about how you are falling and you have not stand, and you are not clear in your self-mastery, you are not equal and one within the group of what's best for all, then you are actually deceiving others. Because, which is obviously yourself as well, because you are deceiving yourself and justify yourself that you are apparently busy with the process. No, you are screwing yourself. It's a form of open public rape that's taking place by talking the crap you are talking. Because you are taking your tongue and you stuck it in your own ear, and you are wiping your whole brain, your physical clear of any potential of getting anywhere, and you will find you will continuously do the same stuff. You will not master anything of yourself. And you will continuously go through the same cycles.  

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你們當中有些人明白現在我說的就是你，因你們已如此行徑多年。每次發生時，你都因找到與你同等「爛」的人而沾沾自喜，那些同樣無法自我主控之人。此時你突然就有了「分享自我誠實的真相」的主控能力。但你在分享時並未真正自我誠實。你是在自我破壞。你是個恐怖分子。你放任恐懼、輕蔑、恥辱公諸於世並對此無所謂——這使你恐嚇自己與他人，且毫無羞愧。你已將自己與後果切割，因此後果將變得更具創傷性、更實質化。那些你本可阻止的後果，如今你必須面對，且再無改變的可能性。  

There are those of you that know when I am speaking to you now, because you have been doing this for years upon years. And every time it happens you feel so good that you find somebody that's equal to you in their fuckness, and that cannot master themselves. And in that you suddenly have a mastery to share your self-honest truth. You are not being self-honest now when you are sharing it. You are self-sabotaging. You are a terror. You are terrorizing yourself and others by allowing your fear, by allowing your disdain, by allowing your dishonor to be out there for the world and to be okay with it, and not to feel any shame. You have separated yourself from the consequences. Therefore the consequences will become more traumatic, more physical. It will have consequences that you could have stopped, that you now will have to face, and be beyond the possibility of any change.  

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你真想走到那一步嗎？你真想經歷那些創傷事件嗎？那便是你必然的結果。

因為當你有機會自我改變時，當你有機會自我主控時，以及有「你是自身現實中的神」這原則時——所以，「靜下來，知曉你是神」——這意味保持沉默，直到你改變自己，然後活出這改變，再解釋你的經歷以幫助他人。

你卻將破壞性的自我毀滅部分合理化。透過合理化，你讓他人認同你的「爛」。想像一下——如果現在我們全體一起擺爛，那接著你會更進一步，搞砸自己的人生，也搞砸他人，最終我們全體會一起完蛋。這將導致性相關的後果。後果會體現於孩子身上，後果也會體現在他人身上。別當個混帳。考慮你所謂「憂鬱」的後果。  

Do you really want to go there? Do you really want to experience that traumatic events? This is where it then must go. Because when you had the opportunity of self-change, when you had the opportunity of self-mastery, and the principle that you are God within your own reality, so be still and know that you are God, that means remain silent until you have changed yourself, and then walk as the change, and then explain what you have gone through to help others. You have taken the destructive self-sabotage part and you have made that okay. And by making it okay, you have got others to agree with you in your fuckness. Imagine, we are now all fucked together. And then you will actually take it further and fuck up your life, and fuck up others as well, and you will all fuck together. Which means there will be a sexual consequence. There will be a consequence that is measured in children. There is a consequence measured in other people. Don't be a dick. Consider the consequences of your so-called depression.  

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你的憂鬱源自無法操控身邊的人們為你的人生付出並讓你快樂。你未能成功征服奴隸，如今你將更精於欺騙，直到征服盡可能多的奴隸，再用這些奴隸取悅自己。你在世上的企業中看到這類人——那些執行長們。若您回顧他們的人生，你會發現他們如何透過憂鬱找到將身邊人轉為奴隸的方法，以讓自己快樂。無論透過產品、直接參與或關係——方式不重要。同樣的過程不斷發生：從憂鬱走向成功，再販賣這種故事。但你並未帶來改變，你只是在製造奴隸。

要確保你不會為了自身的快樂而製造奴隸，確保呼吸接著呼吸、每個行動、每個應用，你參與的一切事物，最終都符合全體的最大利益。這就是衡量標準，也是你在此生作為自我主控之平等生命的確證。自我推動的。

Your depression is that you have not been able to manipulate those around you, to invest in your life and make you happy. You have not managed to conquer slaves. You will now master deception more until you can conquer as many slaves as possible, and then you will use these slaves to make you happy. You see them in the corporates of this world as the chief executive officers. If you go back in their life, you will see how they have managed through their depressions, found the way to convert people around them into slavery, to make them happy. Whether it is through products, through direct involvement, through relationships, it doesn't matter. The same process happens. Moving from a point of depression to a point of success, and then sell the story. But you are not making any change. You are only creating slaves. Make sure you don't create slaves just so that you can be happy. Make sure, breath by breath, every movement, every application, everything you participate in, ends up in a way that is best for all. And it's a measurement, a certainty of your equality in self-mastery as life here, self-will.  

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考驗或行動極其微小——僅是呼吸接著呼吸。每次你只需要征服一次呼吸。呼吸一次，你征服它，你站穩。下一次呼吸，你征服它，你站穩。再下一次呼吸，你征服它，你站穩。你會發現自己能夠承受任何事情，而且你不再須要跌落。這其實很簡單。聚沙成塔，它將帶來終極的改變。你成為自我主控者，呼吸接著呼吸。所以停止那些所謂的憂鬱故事，停止壓抑，停止藉口，停止尋找奴隸來取悅自己。奴役不是可接受的主控方式。自我主控是一體平等於在此處的生命，它不需要追隨者。  

The test or the movement is so small, it's breath by breath. All you have to do is conquer one breath at a time. One breath, you conquer it, you stand. Next breath, you conquer it, you stand. Next breath, you conquer it, you stand. You'll find you'll get through anything. And you don't have to fall. It is really easy. In small little bits. And it brings about the ultimate change. You are self-mastered. Breath by breath. So stop the so-called depression stories. Stop the repressions. Stop the excuses. Stop the seeking of slaves to make you happy. Slavery is not an acceptable way of mastery. Self-mastery is one and equal to life here. It does not require followers.  

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若你必須跟隨，則需有自我紀律。有自我紀律的跟隨者會以必要的謙卑行事。無法立足於謙卑卻假裝跟隨的人，只會尋找處於分離的藉口，且永遠無法自我主控——因他們試圖成為如神一般與神聖化。那與自我主控毫無關聯。自我主控是你能在每一次的呼吸當中有效的活，以符合全體最佳利益的方式，那最終會累積出效果：令你成為在這裡的自豪的生命，作為一體平等的全體。這意味成為眾人的典範，協助每一個人，並為系統帶來一個符合全體最大利益的永久改變。領悟這一點。  

If you must follow, then there should be self-discipline. Those with self-discipline that follows will do so with the necessary humbleness. Those that cannot stand in humbleness and then pretend to follow, will only try and find reasons to be separate and will never master themselves because they are trying to be godly and divine. That has got nothing to do with self-mastery. Self-mastery is you being able to live one breath at a time effectively in a way that is best for all and that will ultimately lead to the accumulative effect of you as life here triumphant. As all, as one, as equal. That means as an example for everyone else, assisting everyone else and bringing about a permanent change in the system that is best for all. Grasp this.  

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憂鬱與心理學無關——你只是以邏輯的方式成了精神病人，如果你本身肇始了自己憂鬱。這類狀態之所以存在，是因為你的完整授權、你的完全允許，還有你對於自我欺騙的完全參與。停止自我欺騙。加入我們，來到Desteni。我們在那支援所有的Desteni「我」進程，若你有膽量真正的改變自己。我們不期待多數人能超越能量性的成癮。你只是個成癮者。你是成癮者且無法脫離。別擔心。生命會給你必要的創傷，讓你最終領悟——或是最終作為一個濫虐者被移除（*死）。這其中沒有威脅、痛苦或悲傷。它只是如其所是。它隨時在你周遭發生。  

There is nothing psychological about depression, but that you are a psycho in a logical way if you cause yourself to be depressed. Such conditions do not in fact exist without your full authority, your full permission and your full participation in self-deception. Stop self-deception. Join us at Desteni. We are there to support all the Desteni I process if you have got the guts to actually change yourself. We don't expect many to be able to transcend the energetic addictions. You are just an addict. You are an addict and you can't get away. Don't worry. You will get the necessary trauma from life to eventually realize or to be eventually eradicated as an abuser. There is no threat or pain or sorrow in that. It is simply what it is. It's happening all around you all the time.  

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你對每日死去的動物可有一絲感受——那些為了讓你可以追求幸福而死的動物？每日受苦死亡的植物，為了讓你可以追求幸福？每日死去的人類，為了讓你可以追求快樂？你可曾為他們獻上一口呼吸？更別說一個念頭——因一個念頭總需多次呼吸。你可曾注意到你無法在一口呼吸中產生一個念頭？一個念頭總需要多口呼吸。這是個問題。這真的很慢，不是嗎？而真正的生活發生在每一次的呼吸——即「量子生活」。加入我們。在Desteni，我們將支持你理解量子生活。  

Do you feel anything about the animals that daily die so that you can have your pursuit of happiness? The plants that daily suffer and die so that you can have your pursuit of happiness? The people that daily die so that you can have your pursuit of happiness? Do you ever even give them a single breath? Never mind a single thought because a thought is always more than one breath. Have you noticed you can't have a thought in a single breath? A thought is always many breaths. That's a problem. That's really slow, isn't it? While real living happens breath by breath where it is quantum living. Join us. We will support you in understanding quantum living at Desteni.  

譯註：

警語：如果您有身心健康問題請諮詢專業醫療機構

Note: If you have physical or mental health concerns, please consult a professional medical institution.  

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成功學迷思：成功來自運氣或是努力（中英）The advantages of a pre-programmed design

 Desteni 呈獻：預編程設計的優勢

The advantages of a pre-programmed design  

主講：伯納德・普爾曼（Bernard Poolman）2010 年 1 月 9 日

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關於預編程設計的（先天）優勢

讓我們用數學來分析這世上每個人的狀態。  

每個人的狀態：所在位置、身份、運作方式、最終成為的樣子、他們擁有的知識、智力——這一切都能被等式化為包含各種影響的數學方程式（equated as a mathematical equation）。  

其中一些（個人條件）與賦予他們（先天）優勢的預編程設計有關。  

The advantages of a pre-programmed design  

Let’s do some mathematics about the condition of each person in this world.  

Each person’s condition, where they are, who they are, how they function, what they become, the knowledge they have, the intellect they have—all of it can be equated as a mathematical equation with various influences.  

Some of that has to do with the pre-programmed design that gave them an advantage.  

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如果你去看看我們所揭示的、在地球的現狀中天界所處的角色，你會發現，天界只會為了自身的特定利益，特別照顧那些地球上的支持天界的階級制度的存有，及渴望持續控制現實的掌權勢力。  

If you look at what we have presented in terms of the heavenly position in what was going on on Earth, then there was a particular benefit for heaven to only benefit those on Earth that were supporting the hierarchy in heaven and the powers that wanted to remain in control of the reality.  

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請理解（你也可以用普同常識自行驗算）：那些擁有以下能力的人——靈修大師的能力、通靈能力、影響他人的能力、財富、（幕後）精英血統、獲取資訊的特殊能力、吸引他人關注從而在現實中成名的能力——他們全都擁有來自預編程設計的（先天）優勢。  

So understand, and you can go and do this math in common sense for yourself: those with particular guru abilities, psychic abilities, abilities of influence over people, money, elitism, bloodlines, special abilities to get information, to get attention, to become famous in this reality—all of them have a pre-programmed designed advantage.  

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要明白其運作方式：這是一種共振設計。  

你並非單純喜歡上某人，而是因為你與對方之間存在著符號性質的預編程連結。  

例如，對方是名人，而你是痴迷的粉絲。這就是地球上一切所謂「進步」的本質。  

沒有一項成就真正來自當事人的努力或作為——他們只是活出了自己的預編程設計。可以說，這一切是「自然發生的」。  

Understand how it works. It is a resonant design.  

So you don’t just like a person—you like a person because between you and that person there is a symbolic pre-programmed link.  

The one is famous and you are the doting fan, for instance. That is the way with all so-called progress on Earth.  

None of it was actually by the hard work or the doing of the person involved. They were just living their pre-programmed design. It came naturally, so to speak.  

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而那些信眾、或是狂熱粉絲、或朝搖滾明星丟內褲的尖叫的女孩，全都是被預編程去這麼做的。  

就是被設計成這種模式。所以這些行為如此自然，毫不費力。  

And those that follow, or are the doting fans, or the screaming girl that throw their panties at the rock star—all of those are pre-programmed to do that.  

That is the way it is designed. That’s why it comes so naturally. There is no effort in doing it.  

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反之，當你進行 Desteni 進程時，需要巨大的努力，因為它不是來自先天的（設計）。  

你在忙於重新設計你的現實。你將會與你的預編程的自然設計產生矛盾。  

此時你會察覺到，自己的預編程「自然設計」並非你真正想成為的樣子。那有著不對勁之處。有人一直在搞砸你——那就是「天界」、那就是「靈魂」（的體系）。  

For instance, when you go and walk the Desteni process, it takes great effort because it doesn’t come naturally.  

You are busy redesigning your reality, and you are going in contradiction to your pre-programmed natural design.  

And you have realized that your pre-programmed natural design is not something you would like to be. There is something wrong. Somebody has been screwing with you. That was heaven. That was the soul.  

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所以，明白吧！永遠要用數學去驗證。  

仔細觀察：當事物自然發生時，那就是設計。  

當強姦犯「自然地」施暴，那也是設計。  

看看在關係中「自然地」出軌的方式；看看在商業中「自然地」造假的手段；  

整個資本主義的盈虧體系如何建立在「最擅長說謊者賺最多錢」的基礎上。  

So, understand. Always do your mathematics.  

Have a look: When things come naturally, it is the design.  

When a rapist rapes naturally, it is the design.  

Have a look at what comes naturally in terms of how one cheats in relationships. What comes naturally in how one cheats in business.  

How this whole capitalist system about profit and loss is based on those that can lie the best making the most money.  

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而那些商場失敗者都明白這一點。  

你知道，當你盡力而為並保持誠實時，結果卻落得慘敗。許多人經歷過，卻無人談論。  

And those that have failed in business know this.  

You know that when you have tried to do your best and be honest, you have seen your ass.  

There are many people like that, but nobody speaks about it.  

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你以為這件事發生的原因是上帝在考驗你？不是的，不是上帝在考驗你。拜託！  

如果上帝存在，祂不會偏袒任何人。祂會賦予眾人平等的形象與樣式。  

原因是別的——就是我們所揭示的：是預編程的設計，共振設計決定了這些情況。  

The reason why this happened, you think it’s like God testing you.  

No, it’s not God testing you. Come on.  

God would have played no favorites if there was a God. God would have given everyone an equal image and likeness.  

It is something else. It is what we have shown. It is the pre-programmed design, the resonant design that decides these points.  

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目前，在 Desteni 進程中，顯然這些設計已被反轉，轉而支援你。  

它們會將你推至其支配的極限，讓你可以學會站起來處理自己的編程，並學習如何（重新）編程自己，為全體生命負責。  

這需要時間——10 年、20 年、30 年，多久都無所謂。你終將領悟。  

Currently, within the Desteni process obviously, these designs have been inverted and it’s actually supporting you.  

They are going to take you to the absolute point of their dominance so that you can learn to stand up and take on your programming and learn how to program yourself and take responsibility for all life.  

It’s going to take time—10, 20, 30 years, it doesn’t matter really how long. You are going to get it.  

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至於那些無法領悟的人，你也無能為力。  

你此刻連自己都幫不了。你純粹活在自己的被預先編程的「自然設計」中。這問題蠻大的。  

那其實是機械人的（程式）語言——你只是個人工智能。  

And I mean, for those that don’t, there is nothing you can do about it.  

You can’t even help yourself at the moment. You are purely living the natural design that you have been pre-programmed with.  

That’s quite a problem. That is, in fact, the language of robotics. You are artificial intelligence.  

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那些帶著「偉大知識」而來、卻只試圖在現行金錢體系內操弄一切且從不質疑該體系的人——你必須明白，他們是所謂的「跨維度的預編程警察」的一員，被設置在此，以確保永遠無人質疑這個現實。只有這種可能。  

Those that come with this great knowledge that they try and manipulate within the bounds of the current money system, that do not even question the current money system—you must understand they are part of the so-called inter-dimensional pre-programmed police that were placed to make sure that nobody ever questioned this reality. This is the only way it can be.  

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這就是當前的狀況，而這一切都是狗屁東西。預編程的設計——不要陷入這個狗屁東西當中了。看清楚！  

It’s the way it is now, which is all bullshit. Pre-programmed design—do not fall for this bullshit. Have a look.  

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我說話並不優雅。我不預先準備講稿。我當下即時的表達。  

來自門戶的存有們從沒有被允許實際上預先準備任何狗屁內容（譯註：指利用門戶調查存在界的那段時期）。  

我們直到對現狀有清晰理解後才開始這麼做（容許存有們預先準備內容）。明白嗎？  

I am not eloquent in how I speak. I don’t prepare what I am saying. I do it in the moment right here.  

The portal was never allowed any point where the portal was allowed to actually prepare for shit.  

We only started doing that when we already had some clarity on what was going on. You understand?  

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如果你回頭檢視，我們說過門戶會進行三年的訪談，那階段已結束。  

接下來的內容將由 Sunette 主導（Sunette 即門戶本人）。  

她正忙於支援所有人的進程。已經沒必要再透過門戶進行更多訪談了，因為我們已經完整揭示了現實的真相。  

If you look at it, we said the portal will be giving interviews for three years. That’s over.  

What happens now will come from Sunette. She is busy supporting everybody in the process.  

There is no point for any more interviews through the portal in terms of what was going on in reality.  

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我們已經完成了重要的部分，並解釋了其中的普同常識與數學邏輯。  

現在所有的門戶訪談都純粹是為了研究用途。  

事情（門戶揭示的內容）在過去就是那樣，而那些就是這個現實的設計基礎。而我們已經在著手重新設計。  

We have done what is relevant and we have explained the common sense and the mathematics around it.  

All of the portal interviews are now purely for research.  

That is how things were, and that is the foundation from which things were designed in this reality. And we are already busy with the redesigning.  

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而你遲早都會理解的。因此，若你願意自我誠實，並以平等方程式進行基本演算來讓自己看清現實中真正發生的事情，你將震驚於人們是多麼容易迷失於自我欺騙中。  

And it’s just a matter of time before you are going to get it.  

So, if you are willing to be self-honest and do the basic calculations of the equality equation to establish for yourself what is really going on, you will be astounded at how easy one can get lost in self-deception.  

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建議你實踐自我寬恕，然後做出決定：放棄此生。  

「放棄此生」是什麼意思？這意味著你放棄自己那輕易過活的「自然人生」，轉而專注於修正這個現實的設計。  

Self-forgiveness is recommended. And then to make a decision that one gives up this life.  

That means—what does it mean giving up this life? You give up your natural life that flows easily. And you focus on correcting the design of this reality.  

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你捨棄對於偉大與成名的渴望、希望、欲求與需求，專注於將這個現實調整至符合全體最大利益的狀態。  

因為如此一來，無論結果如何——不管輪迴轉世是否存在、無論我們是否只有這一次的人生——底線是：任何進入這個現實的人都將擁有超酷的體驗。  

You give up your desires, hopes, wants, and needs for greatness and fame.  

And you focus on sorting out this reality to a condition that is best for all.  

Because then, no matter what the outcome—no matter whether reincarnation is real or not, or whether we only have one life or not—the bottom line would be whoever comes to this reality will have a bloody cool experience.  

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而你將體驗到的是一個將這個現實打造成一個「超酷」的棲身之所的過程。理解嗎？  

And what one will have is the process, the experience of creating this reality to a place that is a cool fucking place to come to. Got my drift?  

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（全文完）

desteni對造翼者資料的看法PERSPECTIVES ON THE WINGMAKERS

 

官網標題：對造翼者資料的看法

PERSPECTIVES ON THE WINGMAKERS

英文原文官網連結：

https://desteni.org/desteni-material/blog/perspectives-wingmakers

*譯註：

Desteni對造翼者資料（wingmakers）的一篇文章發表了一些回應

該文章名稱為：2008年卡米洛特網站對james的訪談

文章連結（連結如果壞掉請自行按照文章名稱google）：

https://www.wingmakers.com.cn/about.html?id=19

（james mahu詹姆斯馬胡為造翼者資料的作者）

正文：

WingMakers Perspective: Question 2, Quote 1

對造翼者資料的看法：問題2，引用1

by Sunette/Dimensions - Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:27 pm

作者： sunette/維度存有 – 2009/2/16 

Quote:“If you feel any of this, you may not be prepared to confront these realities.”

引用：如果你有任何這樣的感受（*恐懼/驚慌），你也許還沒準備好面對這些現實

Desteni Perspective:

Desteni的看法：

Understand that it’s not about being prepared or not.

要理解這與（*你）是否已經準備好了無關

We’ve found that, with regards to ‘preparation’ – everyone is waiting to be prepared, or waiting to be ready, waiting for themselves to prepared, waiting for themselves to be ready, from the perspective of defining/determining their ‘readiness’ in facing themselves, the truth of themselves, according to preparation itself.

我們發現到，關於「準備」 - 每一個人都在等待著準備好了，或是等待著準備完成，等待著他們自己準備好了，等待著他們自己準備完成。

以定義/界定出他們的「準備狀態」為出發點，在面對他們自己、他們自己的真相時，依賴著準備狀態本身。

Then within this, ‘preparation/being prepared’ becomes an excuse not to face self, or rather an excuse in the attempt not to face self, because one delude oneself with ‘preparation/being prepared’ within attempting to postpone/wait for as long as you keep accepting/allowing such an excuse – to face self. 

Believing that ‘time-itself’ as ‘sequential-outflow of events already manifested as consequences in reality to be faced by self’ – will ‘wait for you to decide when/whether you’ll be ready/prepared’.

接著這個「準備狀態/還在準備」被用來當做不去面對自己的一種藉口，或是一種在試圖不去面對自己時的一種藉口。

因為人們使用「準備狀態/還在準備」來蒙蔽自己，持續接納並容許著這種藉口，試圖拖延與延後 – 面對自己。

相信著「時間本身」即「被自己面臨著的，已經在這個現實當中顯化出來，等同於後果的連續發生的事件」 - 將會「等待著你去決定何時或是能否 - 準備好/準備完成」

Understand that, reality, the physical, the manifested consequence as experiences already here or to play-out to be experienced as events already created for self to be faced as what each one’s done in deception and dishonesty towards self and others as self – will not and is not ‘waiting for you’ – reality, the physical as manifested consequential events/experiences already created is already manifesting to be experienced, already playing-out, in movement as sequential-outflows and you’ll inevitably come to the Point of facing you as it – whether prepared/not, whether ready or not.

要理解，現實，物質界，已經顯化的後果：「即已經在此處的體驗，或是即將發生並且將被體驗到的，已經為自身被創造出來要去面對的事件們。」「即每一個人在面向自己還有等同於自己的其他人時，在欺騙與不誠實當中所做的一切。」- 將不會並且沒有在「等待著你」- 現實，物質界，如同顯化的後果性的事件及體驗們，已經被創造出來了，是已經顯化並被體驗著，已經在發生當中，在於動態的連續性的後果事件（outflows）當中，而且你將會不可避免的走到一個必須面對你自己（*即你所創造的後果）的階段 – 無論準備好了沒，無論是否準備完成。

So, it’s not about being prepared or ready – but who you are/will be in the moment of facing yourself as the manifested consequence you created due to who you were, accepted and allowed in the Past.

所以，這（*重點）不是關於去做好準備或是準備完成 – 而是關於在你面對：「你自己，即你在過去經由被你接納並容許（*自己去成為的）所是者，所創造出的已經顯化的後果」時，在那一刻「你是誰」，或是你將要作為的人。

For example: When a car comes at you directly while driving – there’s no ‘time’ to prepare or excuse to use such as ‘I must first be prepared/ready to face this’ – you’re going to face the experience, whether prepared or not – the outcome of your experience within that situation is determined acc. to you, who you are in that moment of facing the situation – not because you were ready or not ready.

 So also with regards to, you facing consequence. 

Thus, it’s about who you are as you stand within/before yourself = thus, it’s not determined according to readiness or preparation – but who you are/decide to be in the moment, every moment here.

例如：當一輛汽車在駕駛時直接向您駛來時– 沒有「時間」來準備或使用諸如「我必須先做好準備才能面對這個」之類的藉口– 你將面對這種經歷，無論是否已經準備好 - 你在這種情況下的經歷的結果是取決於在面對這種情況的那一刻「你是誰」 - 而不是取決於你準備好了或沒有準備好。同樣的，無論如何你都將面臨後果。

因此，這是關於當你站在自己之內/面前時「你是誰」 = 因此，這（*後果）不是由準備狀態所主導 - 而是取決於在瞬間當中，在此處的每一刻當中「你是誰」「你決定作為誰」。 

So, you cannot ‘wait to be ready’, cannot wait for yourself to be prepared – because you as what you’ve created in and as the physical-reality as consequence that is you as your creation that you as creator created – is not waiting for you, and will not wait for you – it’ll be here as you to be faced.

所以，你不能“等待準備好”，不能等待自己做好準備 – 因為你在物質現實當中所創造並且等於這物質界的後果，是你作為創造者去創造出來的造物，

沒有正在等你，也不會等待你 - 它將會在這裡作為你，令你面對。

（譯註：創造者等於被創造物）

So, we suggest, instead of waiting within the excuse of first wanting to be Prepared, which is simply making the statement of waiting for yourself, that is here already and thus implying no self-trust – walk here in every moment of breath, self honestly – even within for example as you read through/go through this document in assisting and supporting you, to face you as you face the reactions that rise/manifest within you as thoughts, emotions and feelings and not accept/allow the mind to dictate/direct what you read, nor to dictate/direct you as you read – but to breathe and simply not accept/allow self to participate in thoughts/reactions – but simply hearing here unconditionally and see for yourself, yourself – which is not ‘pretty/beautiful’ – but must/will be faced inevitably to stop what we’ve done and become to ourselves and others and all else that exist as ourselves.

所以，我們建議，不要以要先做好準備為藉口進行等待，那只是單純的表明了是在等待自己，而自己早已經在這裡了，因此代表了自我信任的缺乏 - （*我們建議）在每一個呼吸的時刻走在這裡，自我誠實地 - 例如，即使在您閱讀/瀏覽本文件以幫助和支持您時，去面對你自己，去面對在你之內升起或顯化的那些思想、情緒與感覺，並且不要接納並容許心智去支配或主導你所閱讀的、還有支配或主導正在閱讀的你 – 而是去呼吸並且簡單的不去接納並容許自己參與在思維與反應當中 – 在此處無條件的傾聽並且為你自己去看清，你本身 – 那並不漂亮或美麗 – 最終無可避免的必須與將會被面對，以去停止我們所成為的、還有我們對「我們自己及其他存有，還有其他作為我們本身而存在的一切萬有」所做出的一切。

So, face you as you see/hear/read – face you as you walk in every moment here as breath – and realise: You determine you in every moment of breath – don’t be lost within the excuse of time as waiting for yourself to be prepared, waiting for yourself to be ready, as you’ll only prolong your own process.

所以，當你看/聽/閱讀時，面對你自己 - 作為呼吸在每一刻的這裡前行時，面對你自己 – 並且去覺察到：是「你」在每一個呼吸的時刻決定了「你」 - 不要迷失在時間藉口當中，等待著你自己做好準備，等待自己準備完成，因為那樣你只會延長自己的進程。

Yes – you can ‘prepare you effectively’ from the perspective of assisting and supporting you to ‘walk through and face’ the inevitable consequences of already-manifested accepted and allowed past-actions of dishonesty and deception towards you and others as you in thought, word and deed: 

沒錯 – 你是可以「有效的準備你自己」從如下的角度：協助與支援你去「走過與面對」已經顯化的無可避免的後果，其來自於，那被你在思、言、行為當中，接納並容許的，面向著你自己及等同你的其他人的，不誠實與欺騙的過去的行為，

But this is not ‘you waiting for yourself to be prepared’ from the perspective of using this ‘waiting to be prepared’ as an excuse in attempt to postpone/wait for the inevitable. 

但是這不是要你去「等待著你自己準備好」，以這樣的角度：把「等待著準備好」當作一種藉口，去嘗試推遲與延後那無可避免的。

This is you actively self-directing you in preparation as self-assistance and self-support as ‘who you are’ – therefore, it’s about ‘who you are’ and ‘preparation’ becomes an act of you assisting and supporting you directly = and not of ‘waiting’.

這是要你積極的自我主導你自己，在等同自我協助與自我支援，等同「你是誰」，的準備當中 -  因此，這是關於「你是誰」，而「準備」變成一種你直接的協助與支援你自己的行動 ＝ 並且不屬於「等待」

Therefore also – realise, you always ‘confront yourself’ – you as all that which you’ve separated yourself from or created and manifested in separation of you as your creation: Will ‘confront you’ – so you can face you, amalgamate you with yourself – to within this amalgamation, stand one and equal with yourself as all that exist as you.

因此，也要覺察到，你一直都是在「面對著你自己的」 - 所有等同於你的，你將其與自己分離的，或是在與自己的分離當中所創造與顯化出來的，你的造物：將會「迫你面對」 - 所以你可以面對你自己，將你自己與自己融合 – 讓你與存在等同於你的一切萬有，站處於平等同一當中。

 

WingMakers Perspective: Question 2, Quote 2

對造翼者資料的看法：問題 2，引用 2

by Sunette/Dimensions - Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:31 pm

作者：Sunette/維度界存有們 - 2009 年 2 月 16 日

 

Quote James: 

引用James（詹姆斯）的話：

“The Secret Framework for the Suppression of the Sovereign Integral”

“壓制主權整合體的秘密框架”

（譯注：主權整合體在wingmakers泛指移除了心智系統的存有體）

Desteni Perspective: 

Desteni的看法：

I understand why the ‘term’ ‘Secret Framework’, emphasis being on the word ‘Secret’, is utilized, however – I wouldn’t see it within a literal context of being ‘Secret’.

我理解為什麼使用“秘密框架”這個“術語”，強調了“秘密”這個詞。但是 -我是不會將“秘密”作為大背景看待它（*心智意識系統）。

Here James refer to ‘The Secret Framework for the Suppression of the Sovereign Integral’ as it being the Mind Consciousness System or as he (James) refers to it as, the Human Mind System.

在這裡，詹姆斯提及了「壓制主權整合體的秘密框架」，這指的是心智意識系統（MCS）。或是說人類心智系統（HMS），這是他（詹姆斯）對其之稱呼。

The Mind has always been Obvious within its manifested existence within and as us – thoughts, reactions as emotions and feelings, pictures and memories as ‘objects and experiences’ existent within and as us within and as which we participate, though we’ve become and are the Mind to such an extent – we do not see ourselves, even as we exist as the Mind itself due to our level of acceptance of ourselves as it: We miss the Obvious, because it’s so obvious, almost ‘too obvious’ – to the extent where it’s missed.

在我們之內並作為我們的心智的顯化存在，始終是顯而易見的 - 思想、作為情緒和感受的反應、圖像和記憶，作為「對象和經驗」，存在於我們之內並等同於我們，我們參與在其之中並且等同於其。然而我們已經成為並且作為心智到了這樣的程度 - 我們看不到自己，即使是因為我們自己對於成為心智的接納程度致使了我們作為心智本身而存在：我們錯過了顯而易見的事物，因為它是如此的明顯，幾乎是“太明顯了”，到了它被忽略的程度。

Therefore, nothing of the Mind/Mind Consciousness System or of ourselves that we’ll be discussing as we continue, has/ever been a ‘Secret’ – it’s always been Here as ourselves as what and through which we exist.

因此，我們將繼續討論的心智/心智意識系統或我們自己的一切，從來都不是「秘密」- 它一直都在這裡作為我們，我們作為並且透過它而存在

But we’ve been oblivious to the obviousness of it all due to our Nature of always living/existing/projecting ourselves ‘out there’ in separation of ourselves according to what our eyes see there and our ears here FROM THERE – intertwined within knowledge and information we receive from there and the reflection of ourselves we interpret as the pictures we see with our human physical eyes from there, outside of ourselves that we’ve simply ‘accepted’ as is – without question.

但我們忽略了這一切的顯而易見性，因為我們的本性總是使我們自己活在/存在/被投射在“外在某處”，在與我們自己的分離中。拿取了我們的眼睛在外在某處看見的，及我們的耳朵在外在某處所聽見的 – 混合了我們從外在某處所接納到的知識與資訊，及我們自己本身的反照，那我們將之詮釋成了我們用人類身體的眼睛在外在某處、在我們之外所看見的圖像，其被我們簡單的按現況接納了 – 毫無質疑。

（譯註：人類所見的圖像現實為他們內在本性的反照物reflection。）

So, one of the Primary reasons why we’ve missed the obvious, is due to ‘blind acceptance’ and conditioning/defining ourselves to and as such acceptances, ‘that we accepted blindly’ – and within the conditioning/defining ourselves according to/as that which we accept blindly – we become/live the acceptances to such an extent, that we miss the obvious that is Here.

因此，我們錯過了顯而易見的事物的主要原因之一是由於「盲目接納」，和制約/定義了我們自己去作為如此的接納形式，即「我們盲目接納」 - 並且因著我們用被我們盲目接納的事物去制約/定義我們自己 - 我們成為/活出了那種接納形式，到了如此的一種程度，導致我們忽略了就在這裡的顯而易見的事物。

And this you will find for yourself as we continue, it actually, from a certain perspective, being so obvious and simple at the same time, that you’d wonder why you haven’t considered/questioned it before: Due to Acceptance and the allowance of trusting everything else but yourself in Common Sense self honesty here. Trusting the ‘acceptances’, trusting that which you’ve ‘blindly accepted’, trusting how you’ve defined yourself as such acceptances and trusting how you accordingly exist as those acceptances: Instead of trusting you here as self-honest common sense.

當我們繼續下去時，你會自己發現這一點，實際上，從某個角度來看，它是如此的明顯又單純，使你會納悶為什麼你之前沒有考慮過或質疑過它（*心智）：而那是由於（你）接納與容許（自己）去信任了一切事物，除了在自我誠實的普同常識中的此處的自己。

信任了那「接納」，信任了那你盲目接納的事物，信任了你如何的相應的作為了那些接納而存在：而不是信任在此處作為自我誠實的普同常識的自己。

For example with thoughts: We’ve simply ‘blindly accepted’ ‘thoughts’ and within the acceptance of thoughts, we’ve conditioned and defined ourselves as thoughts, and within the conditioning and defining ourselves as thoughts, we’ve begun to trust the thoughts and within the trust placed in thoughts, become the thoughts and started actually living the thoughts as though it is ‘who we are’. And within this, we’ve become our thoughts to such an extent – that we have full-blown conversations with manifested thought-constructs of Mind within ourselves.

以思想為例：我們只是“盲目地接納”“思想”，在對於思想的接納當中，我們將自己制約和定義為思想，而在將自己制約和定義為思想的過程中，我們開始信任思想，並在對思想的信任中，成為了思想，並開始實際的作為思想活著，就好像它是「我們本是者」一樣。在這之中，我們化身成了思想，已經達到了這樣的程度 - 我們與自己內在心智當中顯化的思想結構進行了完整的對話。

Never questioning the Obvious:

（*我們）從來沒有質疑過那顯而易見的：

If I am Here, communicating in/as expression of word as sound through and as my human physical body – why is there another Voice coming from inside Me?

如果我就在這裡，作為與透過我的人類身體以言詞表達來做溝通 – 那為什麼會有另一個聲音從我內在傳來？

Who or what is talking to me?

是誰或是什麼東西在跟我說話？

Why am I talking to myself or speaking to myself in thoughts, reasoning with myself in my head?

為什麼我要對自己說話，或是在思想中自言自語，在頭腦中與自己溝通？

Why are there pictures coming up inside my head – when the Physical is right here as that which I see with my Human Physical Eyes.

為什麼我的腦海裡會出現一些畫面 - 當物質界就在這裡，就如我用人類肉眼看到的那樣。

Why are memories perpetuating itself inside my head – when the past is done, and I am Here?

為什麼記憶會在我的腦海中存儲 - 當過去已然了結，且我是處在當下？

See: The acceptance of thought is so accepted, that it’s become ‘normal’, the acceptance of thought being normal has become so much part of self, as self = that it’s not questioned, from the perspective of: If I’m here – who/what’s the Voice in My Head, why is there a Voice in my Head?

看：對思想之接納的程度是如此之高了，以至於它成了“常態”，對於思維是常態的這種接納已經如此的成為自己的一部分，作為了自己 = 使其不會受到質疑，從以下的這種角度：如果我就在這裡 –那我腦子裡的聲音是誰/是什麼，為什麼我腦子裡有個聲音？

In this, Trust has been manifested within that which we’ve blindly accepted, such as for example thoughts as separate manifested ‘objects’ in our head with which we have conversations and actually trust to make decisions for us = instead of living self-trust, instead of living Here in the moment in absolute directive principled expression – trusting self-common sense insight and perspective = and because we haven’t lived – the Obvious is Missed.

在這一點上，信任已經被顯化在我們盲目接納的事物中，例如，思想如同那我們頭腦內顯現的分離的“對象”，我們與之對話並實際上信任它替我們做出決定 = 而沒有活在自我信任當中，而沒有活在絕對的主導原則表現中，活在此處的瞬間 - 信任自身的普同常識的洞察和觀點 = 並且因為我們還沒有活出那些 - 顯而易見的事物就被錯失了。

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Bernard Perspective （1）Wed May 13, 2009 6:48 pm

伯納德的看法（1）2009 年 5 月 13 日

Wingmakers indicate a events context we found that confirm certain points within the history of our existence

造翼者提出了我們所發現到的一些事件背景，證實了我們存在歷史中的某些點

we will do videos

我們會做視頻

wingmakers could not have known about Desteni--and did the best they could with what they had-- but did so as a group in isolation -- not aware of what was actually going on

造翼者在過去不可能知道desteni - 並且用他們所擁有的盡了最大的努力 - 但是是作為一個孤立的團體去做的 - 不知道實際上發生了什麼

Bernard Perspective （2） Wed May 13, 2009 10:09 pm

伯納德的看法（2）2009 年 5 月 13 日

Like I said

就像我說的

we will share what we found

我們將分享我們的發現

we have discussed this with the beings that call themselves the wingmakers

我們已經與自稱為造翼者的存有們討論過這個了

some are incarnated 

他們有一些投胎了

some are in the dimensional process

有一些處於維度界的進程當中

they were om there own mission to try and counter Anu and those in multi structures with Anu

他們過去執行著自己的行動，試圖對抗阿努以及與阿努同處於多重結構中的存有們

they were beings that escaped the enslavement of existence==as we indicated --there were beings that escaped

他們是逃離了存在界之奴役的存有們 = 正如我們曾指出的 - 有些存有體逃脫了

（譯註：參見desteni人類歷史視頻）

we are not interested in any point that do not immediately include all points here-- no philosophy--no future -- no past

我們對於任何不立即在這裡包含所有要點的觀點都不感興趣——不管是哲學的——不管是未來的——不管是過去的

we will share what happened as a matter of explaining that nothing is a secret or special

我們將分享所發生的事情，以解釋沒有什麼事情是秘密或特殊的

and then stick to the basics that is the unification principle that transcend all ego through self directive application

然後堅持基本，即是透過自我主導應用超越所有小我的合一原則

self forgiveness to take unconditional responsibility at the individual level for all that ever happened in all ways by all beings

自我寬恕，以承擔起無條件的責任，在個體的層面，為了所有曾經在所有的面向所發生過的，由全體的存有所做出的

 

this place each equal to what is here

這令每個人平等於在此處的

in this self honesty is applied to stop all desire/for either greatness or revenge or any related point --to stop what has been allowed in the name of separation and spitefulness

在這之中，自我誠實被應用於停止所有的欲求：無論是追求偉大或復仇或任何相關的點 – 以停止在分離與惡意的名下被允許的事情

in this--common sense is applied to find practical ways of co-existence within a limited consciousness field that was necessary as we as beings are primarily based in spitefulness and self interest

在這之中，普同常識被應用來在有限的意識領域當中找到實際的共存方式，這是必要的，因為我們作為存有的主要基礎是惡意和自私自利

once this is transcended-- co-creation--as life equal here will be self expression -- and thus all polarity--self interest will not exist as it is not who we are

一旦這一點被超越了 - 共同創造 - 等同於平等生命在此處，將成為自我表達 - 因此所有極性 - 自私自利將不再存在，因為它不是我們本是者

all that is currently here--is who we are --equal and one

目前在這裡的一切 - 就是我們本身 – 同等如一

we have not time to discuss the various merits of groups or beings that dedicated their lives to finding a solution-- their dedication is their own reward in self honesty --some we will discuss--one of this is wingmakers

我們沒有時間討論那些奉獻一生尋找解決方案的團體或存有的各種功績——他們的奉獻本身即是他們在自我誠實當中所獲取的獎賞——我們將討論其中一些對象——其中之一是造翼者

those with self interest in wingmakers will react to what we say

那些在造翼者之中有著私人利益的人會對我們所說的話有所反應

each one at death are afforded a moment to investigate and check what we have done thus far --to see for themselves that all was done in equality and oneness as life here eternal

（但是）每個死去的人都會獲得一段時間去調查和檢查我們迄今為止所做的事情——親眼看見一切都是在平等和一體中，作為在此處的永恆生命，被完成的

this point was inevitable

這一點是不可避免的

suggest--this self realization be considered --and lets get one with what is relevant here as life

建議——考慮一下這種自我領悟——讓我們取得，與等同於此處的生命相關的一個（領悟）。

this will ask nothing more than a re-evaluation of everything in simplicity

這只不過是對於一切事物的一次單純的重新評估而已

this happens at death anyway--why wait?

無論如何，這會在死亡時發生——那為什麼要等（*到死後再做）呢？

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以下這段沒有被收錄在desteni官方網站當中，一樣來自舊版論壇

Postby Bernard Poolman » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:58 pm

Bernard Poolman張貼於2009/02/18

A few pointers

一些事項

one of the wingmakers integrated into "James" -- this is all linked to 1998-- as the wingmakers intent was to stop Anu --they had to wait till the system closed in 1998 to be able to present their message

其中一位造翼者融合到“詹姆斯”之內——這一切都與1998年有關聯——因為造翼者的意圖是要阻止阿努，他們不得不等到系統在1998年關閉才能夠傳達他們的信息。

（譯註：造翼者資料起始於1998年，即維度界與地球完全分離的那一年。）

this integration is similar to a walk-in and was part of the design of the soul construct using agreements

這種融合類似於「進駐」，是靈魂結構體設計的一部分，通過協議進行。

unfortunately we also found wingmakers that did similar integrations into humans on earth to plan their take-over so to speak -- note that the animals and plants and all other manifested form as life were not considered within the plans of the wingmakers

不幸的是，我們也發現有一些造翼者同樣以這種方式融合到地球上的人類中，來計劃他們的接管（可以這麼說）——需要注意的是，動物、植物以及所有其他作為生命的顯化形式並未被納入造翼者的計劃中。

their is though some points that can assist effectively

然而，還是有一些（造翼者資料的）要點可以帶來有效的協助

※官網還有收錄一段bernard的長篇留言我沒有翻譯，可以自行觀看。

譯註：造翼者另一篇與desteni資料有關的文章名稱為2014年聶魯達訪談第五篇：

https://www.wingmakers.com.cn/works.html?id=37

（連結如果壞掉請自行按照文章名稱google）

輪迴轉世與天堂的永恆統治

 ●轉貼備註：在電腦裡面找到的文件，這個文件是比較早期的資料，所以不放在公開聊天翻譯區塊，避免被誤認為是最新資料。部份中文翻譯用詞與句子經過修改。英文錯別字未經修正。

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[聊天記錄翻譯] 輪迴轉世與靈魂

    翻譯：吳畏

    說明：以下聊天記錄在翻譯過程中為了便於閱讀理解而對發言先後順序做了調整，並且主要抽取出了由Sunette和Bernard直接參與的談話，涉及到他人的對話內容主要是他們提出的問題，對話其餘部分則未翻譯。

     

[19:51] Topic changed: Reincarnation and the soul --Sunette will have the floor

主題：輪迴轉世和靈魂——Sunette會開始講解

[19:59] <●Sunette> Reincarnation and the Soul

<●Sunette>:輪迴轉世與靈魂

[19:59] <●Sunette> Before earth existed . beings existed throughout the universe, very much similarly to how we exist on earth now. They were born, not necessarily through a woman and they died. It was like coming from a planet and then returning to a planet upon death. Therefore, the nature-design of a being was related to the planets/stars.

<●Sunette>: 在地球存在以前，存有們遍佈整個宇宙，非常像我們如今在地球上的存在方式。他們會出生（但不必通過女人），他們也死亡。他們就好像從行星中來，然後在死亡時又回到行星中去。因此一個存有的本質設計樣式是與行星/星球有關的。

[20:00] <●Sunette> When it was discovered that Earth as Sound represented a perspective through which eternal life could be designed .the idea of the soul was conceived and was marketed and sold to all the beings in the Universe.

<●Sunette>：當等同聲的地球被發現，提供了一個視角，由此可以設計永恆生命時，靈魂的觀念就被孕育、推銷並兜售給了宇宙中的所有存有們。

[20:00] <●Sunette> The point was, that ensoulment of a Being would give them eternal-life. For that, the being had to become part of the planet Earth, or as it was called at the time: Atlantis; and then through a system  which is the Mind Consciousness System; they would design an energy-body with the energy-body being the energy of the planet captured in-time as a system.

<●Sunette> :當時（關於靈魂所推銷和兜售）的要點是，將靈魂賦予一個存有會給他們永恆生命。為此，這個存有必須得成為行星地球（那時地球被稱為亞特蘭蒂斯）的一部分，然後通過一個系統（也就是心智意識系統），他們會設計出一個能量身體，這個能量身體是由此行星的能量被捕獲於時間中而產生的一個系統。

[20:01] <●Sunette> (All - if you have any questions as you read - Ask, and we'll discuss)

<●Sunette>：（所有人，如果你們在閱讀時有任何問題，請發問，我們會討論。）

[20:01] <●Sunette> This was a chieved through the capturing of images and relationships as memories and when a being has captured sufficient memories within the agreed context of what souls would be allowed to form part of the future ternal realm called heaven: a being would become ensouled by being recognized as a soul by the hierarchy that set themselves up as command and control of the process of eternal-life.

<●Sunette>：這是通過將圖像和關係捕獲成為記憶而做到的，當一個存有已經（根據當時大家同意了的：什麼樣的靈魂會被允許形成將來被稱為‘天堂’的永恆之境的一部分）而捕獲了足夠多的記憶時，那麼這個存有就會被一個階級體制，認可為一個靈魂從而被賦予靈魂。（該階級體制將他們自己設立為這個永恆生命的過程之中的指揮控制體系）

[20:01] <●Sunette> Now, here it is important to remember or realise, the context of consciousness as it relates to memory, where memory is seen as giving values Which is then linked to either good or bad.

<●Sunette>：注意，這裡要記住或認識的非常重要的一點是：意識的情境，因為意識與記憶有關，而記憶被視作“賦予價值”，進而被連結到了好或壞。

[20:02] <●Sunette> Those that were good, thus loyal to the hierarchy which later-on became known asThe Light/God, would be allowed to form part of the Family of Light, which was given the name of Life and be allowed to live eternally in Heaven in the company of God/The Light. To make sure that those allowed into heaven were Loyal a process of tests were designed which became known as reincarnation.

<●Sunette>：那些好人——也就是那些忠於那個階級體制而後來成為了光/神的存有們，他們會被允許形成光之家族的一部分（光被稱為“生命”），從而被允許永遠活在天堂中的「神/光」的公司中。為了確保那些被允許進入天堂的存有們是忠誠的，一個考驗過程被設計出來了，這成為了我們現在所知的輪迴轉世。

[20:02] <●Sunette> So - up to here,thus far - we have got the process of the creation of Reincarnation

<●Sunette>：因此，到目前為止，我們講了輪迴轉世的創造過程。

[20:03] <●Sunette> Your lives on earth as a 'test' to your loyalty/servancy to God/White Light to'deserve' your 'place in Heaven'

<●Sunette>：你在地球這裡的生命（過去）是對你的“考驗”——“考驗”你是否對神/白光忠誠並服務於它，以“贏得”你“在天堂中的地位”。

[20:03] <●Sunette> The evidence of the loyalty or disloyalty were stored in the Akashic Records to be used on Judgment-day where the decision would be made whether you would go to Heaven as a Soul or to Hell as a Demon/De-Souled being . Because the design of the Soul was based-on Energy  there was a Polarity that had to be directed.

<●Sunette> ：是否忠誠的證據被保存在了阿卡西記錄中，被用於在審判日做出決定——你是作為一個靈魂進入天堂，還是作為一個惡靈/無靈魂的存有進入地獄。由於靈魂的設計是建立在能量的基礎上的，因此有兩極性必須得到導引。

[20:04] <▲Bernard Poolman1> you will find the idea/promise of eternal life or eternal damnation in most religiouns

<▲Bernard Poolman>：在大部分宗教中你都會發現對永恆生命或永恆懲罰的許諾/觀念。

    

[20:05] <●Sunette> Obviously, here -what beings didn't know/realise was the 'amount of lives' they'd have to walk on this earth to be 'judged' as loyal or disloyal -additionally, because they would not remember how many lives they'd already walked through and so - they could be 'enslaved' for as long as the hierarchies desires

<●Sunette>：顯然，在這裡存有們未曾知道/認識到的是：在他們被“審判”為是忠誠的還是不忠誠的之前，他們必須得在這個地球上經歷“多少生世”——除此之外，因為他們不會記住他們已經經歷了多少生世，因此那個階級體制想要“奴役”他們多久就能“奴役”他們多久。

[20:05] <●Sunette> Therefore  having demons were essential to the existence of the Soul to allow the negative energy to be consumed and not to accumulate and cause problems to the balance of eternal Life.

<●Sunette>：因此，當時惡靈的存在對於靈魂的存在在本質上是必要的，為的是允許負面能量被消耗掉，而不是累積而對永恆生命的平衡造成問題。

     

[20:05] <●Sunette> Therefore the positive energy were channelled to Heaven to create eternal life , and the negative energy was channelled to the demon-dimension to create ?Hell? so to speak. Both sides of the polarity were subject to a constant stream of energy.

<●Sunette>：因此，正面能量被傳輸到天堂中去製造永恆生命，而負面能量被傳輸到惡靈維度中去製造所謂的“地獄”。兩極的雙方都屈從於持續不斷的能量流。

[20:06] <●Sunette> So - here you have your Spirituality / Positivity - generating energy within the mind for Heaven

<●Sunette> ：因此，靈修/正面是在心智之中為天堂生產能量。

[20:06] <AnnaBrixThomsen> Were beings then also prompted/pushed to become demons?

<AnnaBrixThomsen>：那時的存有們也被往成為惡靈的方向激勵/推動嗎？

    

[20:06] <▲Bernard Poolman1> Loyalty had to be proven --thus no prompting other than to get to the real decision of the being

<▲Bernard Poolman>：忠誠必須被證明——因此，沒有推動，只有存有自己做出真正的決定。

  

 [20:07] <●Sunette> Anna - no, they were contained in the demon dimension, especially in the beginnings as some beings were seen as threats to the equilibirum of the vibration of heaven and so were trapped into memories/experiences to 'contain' them and left them in the 'lower planes' where demons were formed

<●Sunette>：Anna，沒有，他們被囚禁在惡靈維度中，尤其是在起初時，因為一些存有們被視作是對天堂的振動平衡產生威脅，因此他們被困在記憶/體驗之中以“囚禁”他們，並把他們留在“較低層面”中，惡靈們就是從那裡形成的。

 [20:08] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes--loyalty meaning to submit to god without question for eternity

<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的——忠誠意味著順從神並且永遠不質疑。

[20:07] <AnnaBrixThomsen> What was the ratio? Did it have to be 50/50 to maintain balance?

<AnnaBrixThomsen>：比例是多少？維持平衡是否必須得是50/50的比例？

   

[20:08] <●Sunette> Anna – no

<●Sunette> ：Anna，沒有。

     

[20:08] <AnnaBrixThomsen> ok thanks

<AnnaBrixThomsen> ：好的，謝謝。

  

 [20:09] <●Sunette> The ratio was maintained through the unified consciousness field that would callibrate the extent of positive and negative energy - and when the positive is low, they'd insert ways/means/events to lift the vibrations of minds in humans to generate positive energy – through spirtituality/religion/sex

<●Sunette> ：比例是通過聯合意識場來維持的，聯合意識場會調校正面能量和負面能量的程度 —— 當正面能量低時，他們會植入一些方法/手段/事件來提升人類心智的振動用以生產正面能量 —— 通過靈修/宗教/交媾。

  

 [20:09] <▲Bernard Poolman1> once a demon --you were no longer part of reincarnation unless you stole a body

<▲Bernard Poolman>：一旦成了惡靈，你就不再是輪迴轉世的一部分了，除非你偷一個身體。

  

 [20:08] <MattiFreeman> the people in this chat - were we mostly loyal to heaven, or demons, or have we done it all?

<MattiFreeman>：參與目前這個聊天的人——我們是大部分都曾忠於天堂，還是做過惡靈，還是我們全都做過？

  

 [20:09] <●Sunette> lol Matti - we've all been around the wheel of existence

<●Sunette>：哈哈，Matti，我們全都在整個存在之輪中到處轉過。

  

 [20:08] <mikelammers> so it was either licking feet or fucking of and roam as a demon? As below so above?

<mikelammers>：因此你要麼跪拜在地，要麼滾蛋而成為惡靈到處遊蕩？天上如此，地上也如此？

   

[20:09] <KimKline> What determined the real decision of the being?

<KimKline>：什麼決定了一個存有的真正決定？

  

 [20:09] <Joana> was there a choice?

<Joana>：存在著選擇嗎？

 

  [20:10] <▲Bernard Poolman1> hte choice was either loyalty to god regardless --or to reincarnte to see if you would become loyal or to be send to the demon dimensions

▲Bernard Poolman：當時的選擇是：你要無條件的忠於神，否則會被送入輪迴轉世以測試你是否能變得忠誠，或需要被送入惡靈維度。

  

[20:11] <▲Bernard Poolman1> free choice was to choose god

▲Bernard Poolman： 自由選擇在當時是選擇神。

[20:12] <RandyKrafft> so there wasn't'free' choice, then

<RandyKrafft>：那麼根本就不存在“自由”選擇了。

[20:12] <●Sunette> No Randy

<●Sunette>：是不存在，Randy

[20:12] <kim__A> wow so you'd re main a demon forever

<kim__A>：哇，那就會永遠是惡靈了

 

  [20:13] <▲Bernard Poolman1>yes--eternal damnation kim

▲Bernard Poolman：Kim, 是的——永恆的懲罰

  

 [20:10] <RubenMoutinho> Is there a difference between positive and negative energy?

<RubenMoutinho>：正面能量與負面能量有區別嗎？

   

[20:11] <●Sunette> Ruben - yes and no- the substance of the energy was the same as created through the mind in polarity - but the nature of the energy differed, asnegative energy was more heavier/substantial and positive energy more airy-fairy

<●Sunette>：Ruben，答案是既有又沒有——能量的基質是相同的，都是透過心智在極性之中製造出來的；但是能量的性質不同，因為負面能量更沉重/有實質性，而正面能量更輕飄飄/空洞。

[20:12] <▲Bernard Poolman1> in a way the negative was the dark energy and the positive the light energy

<▲Bernard Poolman>：在一定意義上，負面能量是暗能量，而正面能量是光能量。

 

  [20:12] <●Sunette> Okay - let's continue:

<●Sunette>：好的，我們繼續：

 

  [20:12] <●Sunette> The being that would reincarnate would reincarnate within a chosen-test form at with little recall of previous-lives and once they die, the new life s memories would be stored in the Akaschic Records where it would be studied by the hierarchy to see if a being has proven their loyalty to God.

<●Sunette>：投胎的存有將會轉世到一個選擇測試的形式之中，幾乎回憶不起以前的生世。當他們死亡時，這新的一生的記憶就會被儲存在阿卡西記錄中，由階級體制進行研究，考察這個存有是否已經證明了他們對神的忠誠。

[20:13] <●Sunette> Thus, would they support and remain part of the system and never question the hierarchy. If a person / soul were found to be ready  they would ascend and be freed from the cycle of rebirth/tests and they would be allowed to choose a life-path which would either be service to the hierarchy in various forms, like ? being a guide, or being are searcher in the Akaschic Records or being the Pillar

eternal-society to keep the energy stable

 <●Sunette>：因此，他們會支援這個系統並成為這個系統的一部分而永遠不質疑階級體制。如果一個人/靈魂被發現準備好了，他們就會飛昇，並從重新出生/考驗的迴圈中解脫出來，然後他們會被允許選擇一個生命道路——而這會以各種形式服務於階級體制，例如成為一個指導靈，或者成為阿卡西記錄的一個研究員，或者成為永恆社會的支柱而維持能量的穩定。

[20:13] <AntonF> and which god was that sunettte, as there were zoo of them? 

<AntonF>：Sunette，那神是什麼？是有一群神嗎？

[20:13] <●Sunette> AntonF - 'God' /'The White Light' / 'Anu'

<●Sunette>：AntonF，“神”/“白光”/“安努”

    

[20:14] <●Sunette> For these purposes Families of Light were created, which would work together to establish a particular energy-dimension where a certain amount of beings that?s ensouled would be able to exist for eternity in a form of positive happiness and bliss, similarly to being on a form of drugs.

<●Sunette>：為了達到這些目的，光之家族被創立了，他們會一起合作確立一個特定的能量維度，在其中一定數量的被賦予了靈魂的存有們能夠永遠存在於一種“正面的幸福和極樂”狀態中，與吸毒的人很相似。

     

[20:15] <●Sunette> And, if one look at for example, drugs/alcohol - it give one that positive/heavenly experience - equal-to and one-with that heavenly-experience self as the soul desired and so addictions are created to energy/heaven/afterlife searching for the 'better life' as we're pre-programmed to yearn for 'that experience'

<●Sunette>：並且，如果你看一看毒品/酒精——這些東西給人一種正面/天堂般的體驗，這與作為靈魂的自己所渴望的天堂般的體驗是等同如一的，由此製造出了對「能量/天堂/死後生命世界」的上癮，追求著“更好的生命”，因為我們被預先編程了對“那種體驗”的渴望。

 

  [20:14] <Manuela> Sunette: how was the positive negative energy measured - through the unified field -but how?

<Manuela>：Sunette，正面能量和負面能量那時是如何被測量的？通過聯合意識場？但是如何測量呢？

    

[20:15] <●Sunette> Manuela - through a magnetic unified field encircling the world-unified field from which energy/frequency tests were done to assess the ratios

<●Sunette>：Manuela，是通過一個環繞著世界聯合場的磁性聯合場來做能量/頻率檢驗的，用以評估正負能量的比例。

[20:18] <Manuela> Sunette is there a relation to this technology within what we experience as gravity?

<Manuela>：Sunette，我們體驗到的萬有引力與這種科技是否有關？

   

[20:19] <●Sunette> Manuela – which technology?

<●Sunette> ：Manuela，什麼科技？

   

[20:20] <Manuela> the technology of taking tests to understand the levels of frequency for calibration Sunette

<Manuela>：Sunette，我是指用於檢驗頻率級別以進行調校的那些科技。

  

 [20:22] <●Sunette> Manuela - it's not technology per say; the measurement was do n einter dimensionally/physically as the beings themselves/through the beings themselves that stood equal-to and one with the frequencies/energies and callibrations and could do the test through themselves

<●Sunette>：Manuela，那些並非科技，那些測量的做法是跨維度/物質性地等同/通過那些存有他們自己立於與頻率/能量和調校等同如一，因此他們可以通過他們本身進行校驗。

 

  [20:15] <▲Bernard Poolman1> in higher frequencies--the higher the frequency --the higher the heavens

<▲Bernard Poolman>：在更高的頻率中——頻率越高，天堂的層級越高。

 

  [20:15] <Carolyne_Schnidr> is frequancy same as enery?

 

<Carolyne_Schnidr>：頻率與能量相同嗎？

[20:16] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes ---frequency/vibration is the rate with which the energy moves –the faster it moves--the more exitement --like a sugar high

<▲Bernard Poolman>：相同。頻率/振動是能量運動的速率，而能量運動越快，激勵就越強，就好像吃糖帶來的快感一樣。

[20:17] <●Sunette> Yes, though – there was 'frequency' in the dimensional existence different from the current understanding of frequency - which was a mix between energy and magnetics that created an extensive 'force/movement' and was often used to create fields around energy/to contain energy

<●Sunette>：相同，可是在維度存在界中曾有一種與目前理解的頻率不同的“頻率”，這種頻率是介於能量和磁性之間的一種混合體，它能產生一股很強的“力/運動”，曾常被用於在能量周圍產生力場來容納能量。

[20:17] <kim__A> sunette - were these'heavenly blissful beings' aware that they were consuming the energy from earth - or did they have nice stories that cover up the truth?

<kim__A>：Sunette，那些“天堂中享受極樂的存有們”曾覺察到他們是在消耗來自地球的能量嗎？還是他們編造了一些美麗的故事來掩蓋真相？

  

 [20:18] <●Sunette> kim_A - some knew,others didn't - but was always believed that, that connection of energy was 'god' / 'white light' unifying/keeping in contact with its children / creation

<●Sunette>：Kim_A，有一些人知道，其餘人不知道——但他們一直都相信：能量的連結是“神”/“白光”在與其「子民/創造物」「聯合統一/保持聯繫。」

   

[20:17] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the mind consciousness system was the factory with which the energy was produced through "natural" living

<▲Bernard Poolman>：心智意識系統是個工廠，能量由此透過“自然”的生活而被生產出來。

  

 [20:18] <▲Bernard Poolman1> energy of the mind is either feelings or emotions --feelings being higher and emotions being lower

▲Bernard Poolman：：心智的能量是感覺或是情緒——感覺高一些，情緒低一些。

（*轉貼備註：感覺是正向能量，情緒是負向能量）

  

 [20:19] <Deedra_> so in heaven where there ever 'experiences of feelings or emotions'? 

<Deedra_>：那麼在天堂中曾經有過“感覺或能量的體驗”嗎？

  

 [20:19] <●Sunette> Deedra_ only feelings / positive energy as all of heaven was layered in to different vibrations of one pure/positive/good energy

[20:19] <●Sunette> All the bad stuff was kept down there by humans and demons

<●Sunette>：Deddra，在天堂中只有感覺/正面能量，因為所有的天堂都是由一種純粹/正面/好的能量層疊進不同的振動之中的。所有的負能量都被固定降下到人類和惡靈那裡。

[20:21] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the way the heavens we layered where through frequency bands --like a magnetic layer that repel any one that is not of the particular frequency to make sure each one end up in the dimension they belong to or have achieved --this happened between lives while waiting for reincarnation

▲Bernard Poolman：過去天堂的分層是通過頻率帶實現的，就好像一個磁層一樣，它會排斥任何不屬於某個特定頻率的人，以確保每個人都處於他們所屬或達到的維度中 —— 這發生在每一世之間的等待投胎的階段

[20:21] <AnnaBrixThomsen> lol bad science fiction movies are molded in the image and likeness of reality

<AnnaBrixThomsen>：哈哈，像是糟糕的科幻電影被塑造進了實在的形象和行象之中。

   

[20:22] <MattiFreeman> heaven was the highest budget movie ever

<MattiFreeman> ：天堂是有史以來預算最高的電影了。

     

[20:22] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yesmattifreeman --it was all about the show--just like it is now on earth

<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，mattifreeman，全都只是一場秀而已，就像現在地球上的一樣。

     

[20:22] <●Sunette> Okay - let'smove on and recap for a moment:

<●Sunette> 好的，我們繼續，暫時先概括一下：

     

[20:23] <●Sunette> For the  purposes Families of Light were created, which would work together to establish a particular energy-dimension where a certain amount of beings that`s ensouled would be able to exist for eternity in a form of positive happiness and bliss, similarly to being on a form of drugs.

<●Sunette>：為了達到這些目的，光之家族被創立了，他們會一起合作建構一個特定的能量維度，在其中一定數量的被賦予了靈魂的存有們能夠永遠存在於一種“正面的幸福和極樂”的狀態中，與吸毒的人很相似。

[20:23] <●Sunette> This state of high energy-vibration  would then be called Love. The nice thing about this ensoulment process was that, the energy were harvested but the memories were separated from the being at death, and therefore the being would not remember eventually what happened on earth 

as they would be  through the directed messages on earth ,focused on the ideal of eternal-life.

<●Sunette>：這種高能量振動狀態接著被稱為“愛”。在這個賦予靈魂的過程中一件巧妙的事是，存有的能量被收割走了，但當此存有死亡時，記憶卻與他分離開了，因此這個存有最終不會記起在地球上發生了什麼，因為他們會通過在地球上受控的消息，而專注于永恆生命的理念上。

 

  [20:23] <▲Bernard Poolman1> all about controling the desires and hopes of the beings--to achieve eternal life

<▲Bernard Poolman>：這些全都是為了控制人們對達到永恆生命的欲望和希望。

  

 [20:23] <Carolyne_Schnidr> Is there a difference between mind created energy through emotions thoughts and feelings and energy like feng shui （wind water） and influence of stars to human beings?

<Carolyne_Schnidr>：心智透過情緒、思想和感覺產生的能量，對比例如風水及對人類產生影響的星象的能量，之間有區別嗎？

[20:24] <●Sunette> Carolyne – nope ,same mind-energy, different ：'experience/definition' - but same mind-energy generation

<●Sunette>：Carolyne，沒有區別，是同樣的心智能量，不同的“體驗/定義”，但是同樣的心智能量產生。

  

 [20:25] <▲Bernard Poolman1> carolyne --wind, water, fengshui, the starts were all symbolic influences that would stimulate particular programms to create specific types of energy to supply to specifc dimensions--there were many dimensions each requiring their particular energy in a steady flow--thus the control of the mind in relation to stimulus and production had to be very steady and that is why it is so difficult to break the control patterns

<▲Bernard Poolman>：carolyne，風、水、風水和星象以前都是符號式的影響，它們會啟動心智之中特定的程式，創造特定類型的能量，以供應給特定的維度空間，以前有許多維度空間，每一個都需要有穩定流動的特定能量——因此與刺激和產生能量相關的心智控制必須得非常穩定，這就是為什麼打破控制模式如此困難。

[20:25] <Antoaneta> kind of like a code you tuned into   Bernard?

<Antoaneta>：像是一種你調頻的編碼，Bernard？

[20:27] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes antoaneta

▲Bernard Poolman：：是的，antoaneta

[20:23] <MayaH> Sunette: what is the families of light?

<MayaH>：Sunette，什麼是光之家族？

[20:25] <●Sunette> MayaH - Group Souls/ Groups of beings in Heaven creating/existing in their own heaven

<●Sunette>：MayaH，光之家族是指在天堂中的靈魂群體/存有群體，他們創造他們自己的天堂並存在於其中。

[20:26] <MayaH> so that was after they ascended the reincarnation sunette?

<MayaH>：Sunette，那是在他們從輪迴轉世中揚升後嗎？

[20:27] <●Sunette> MayaH – yes

<●Sunette>： MayaH，是的。

[20:24] <RandyKrafft> so is this where the family construct - as we know it - came into being - as aby-product of the ';families of light'?

<RandyKrafft>：那麼這是否就是我們如今所知的家族構造起源的地方——是“光之家族”的副產物？

[20:26] <●Sunette> RandyKrafft – no ,the concept of family came waaaayyyyy before that, already with all the races established in the dimensions before humans/earth

<●Sunette>：RandyKrafft，不是的，家族觀念的出現遠遠遠遠在那之前，在人類/地球存在以前，在維度界中已經確立起的所有族群中就已經有家族觀念了。

[20:26] <▲Bernard Poolman1> families of light were n beings of likeness --where like attratcts like –like the ultimate ego boost to meet more versions of yourself yet being uniqiue

<▲Bernard Poolman>：光之家族是一些相似的存有——物以類聚，人以群分——這就好像對臆構自我（ego）的終極推升，你遇見更多版本的你自己，然而還是保持獨特的。

 

  [20:27] <DavidDuncan> so we've always been about only chasing a high and wanting to be in a safe place ,only ever looking out for ourselves and following self-interest -not really ever considering the experience of anything or any one else no matter what the suffering - it's just self-interest ,self-interest, self-interest

<DavidDuncan>：我們一直都是在追尋快感，想要處於一個安全的地方，永遠只是在尋求我們自己，遵從著自私自利，從來都沒有真正考慮過任何人或事物的經歷，無論他們處於怎樣的苦痛中——就只是自私自利，自私自利，自私自利

[20:27] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes--it has always only been self interest --seeking eternal life

<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，一直都只是自私自利——尋求永恆生命

  

 [20:28] <AnnaBrixThomsen> Sunette, so no family of light while on earth or in between incarnations as described by Michael Newton?

<AnnaBrixThomsen>：Sunette，那麼不存在如邁克爾牛頓所描述的在地球上或在輪迴轉世之間的光之家族了？

（譯注：這個牛頓不是我們熟知的那個著名科學家。）

[20:29] <●Sunette> No Anna - on earth you had group souls and family of light in the context of your family/relationships/religions/spirituality as group of definitions you belonged to - and no in-between with reincarnations, once you got out, you were immediately processed back into reincarnation when/as it was decided for you to return

<●Sunette>：Anna，在地球上存在著靈魂群體和光之家族，這是從如下方面說的：你的家族/關係/宗教/靈性，那個你隸屬於的，特定定義的團體；而在每一世之間的間隙則不存在那些，一旦你從地球人生中離開了，當它（天堂）決定了你需要回到地球時，你就會立即的被處理，送回到輪迴轉世中。

[20:28] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the families of light described in the newton books were presented by the dimensions in the LIGHT they want you to see it

<▲Bernard Poolman>：在牛頓的書中所描述的光之家族，是由處於光之中的維度界呈現的，是他們（*造物者）想要你看到的。

（轉貼備註：可能是指 靈魂之旅 這本書）

[20:29] <●Sunette> Okay - let's continue with a recap:

<●Sunette>：好的，我們繼續做個概括：

[20:30] <●Sunette> This state of high energy-vibration  would then be called ?Love?. The nice thingabout this ensoulment process was that, the energy were harvested but the memories were separated from the being at death, and therefore the being would not remember eventually what happened on earth as they would be ? through the directed messages on earth,focused on the ideal of eternal-life.

<●Sunette>：這種高能量振動狀態就會被稱為“愛”。在這個賦予靈魂的過程中一件巧妙的事是，存有的能量被收割走了，但當此存有死亡時，記憶卻與他分離開了，因此這個存有最終不會記起在地球上發生了什麼，因為他們會通過在地球上受控的消息而專注于永恆生命的理念上。

[20:30] <●Sunette> And, the separation of reality and energy / physicality and energy / system and energy would already happen on earth through the creation of energetic consciousness, where the energy-body would be the soul that would go through a process of emotional/feeling purification to establish whether the soul s alignment would be heaven or hell.

<●Sunette>：而且，現實與能量/肉體與能量/系統與能量的分離已經在地球上通過創造能量性質的意識發生了，其中能量身體是靈魂，這靈魂會經歷一個情緒/感覺淨化過程，以確定這個靈魂是對齊於天堂還是地獄。

[20:30] <●Sunette> And the memories would mostly be left in the physical-body with some of it , magnetically recorded to be stored for study in the Akashic Record.This stored life as memories is very similar to the storage of a movie on a DVD. All the physical technology that exist today, was first used as the technology of the soul.

<●Sunette>：（*死後）記憶大部分都會被留在物質身體之中，其中的一部分會通過磁性記錄儲存在阿卡西記錄中用於研究。這儲存為記憶的生命與在DVD上儲存電影非常相似。如今存在著的物質科技以前首先是被用作靈魂的科技。

[20:31] <●Sunette> lol - so, we literally externalized our evolution into machines

<●Sunette>：哈哈，因此我們實質上外顯化了我們的進化為機器。

    

[20:31] <mikelammers> And the memories would mostly be left in the physical-body?

<mikelammers>：（*人死後）記憶大多被留在物質身體中？

    

[20:32] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes mikelammers--thhe amount of memories created in every moment were too much for recording

<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，mikelammers，在每一刻產生的記憶的數量太多而無法記錄。

   

[20:32] <●Sunette> mikelammers - yes,only the memories that can be used that was imprinted enough with energy and the being's relationship towards the memories would be taken with the soul into the Akashic Records to be re-used for the programming of their next life / other lives

<●Sunette>：mikelammers，是的，被能量以及存有們對於記憶的關係，所充分的銘印了的，有利用之處的記憶，才會由靈魂帶進入到阿卡西記錄中，再被重新用於編程他們的下一生/其它生世。

[20:32] <▲Bernard Poolman1> thus—it was contextualize to the essence of the relavant goal --which were energy production to keep heaven blissfull

<▲Bernard Poolman>：因此， — 以上是在脈落化（天堂的）重要目標的本質 — 也就是生產能量以維持天堂處於極樂狀態

[20:32] <Joana> what about the bodies? Or we are talking only energy-body as a vibration, before the human body was invented?

<Joana>：身體又如何呢？我們只是在談論在人類身體被發明以前以振動形式存在的能量身體嗎？

   

[20:33] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the human form did not exist before earth

▲Bernard Poolman：人類形態在地球存在以前不存在。

  

 [20:34] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the human form was designed as symbols and the attraction is preprogrammed--just like animals will respond to their form --the form is really irreleavnt in it all

<▲Bernard Poolman>：人類形態的設計等同符號，而吸引力是被預先編程的，就像動物會對它們的形態做出回應一樣——形態在這一切之中真的無關緊要。

[20:34] <●Sunette> Joana - 'energy body' is the 'body' that was created as the relationship between the being and the mind that create/manifest consciousness - self as an 'energy body/being' as 'what one exist as / become' with one's relationship with the mind

<●Sunette>：Joana，“能量身體”被創造成為此存有與其心智之間的關係（這關係創造/顯現意識）——作為“能量身體/存有”的自己是，你在與你的心智的關係中“所是/所成為的”事物。

 

  [20:34] <Manuela> so what consituted'useful' memories Sunette - that would be selected for the akashic records?

<Manuela>：Sunette，什麼構成了“有用的”記憶——那些可以被阿卡西記錄選用的記憶？

[20:35] <●Sunette> Manuela – memories that can be used to re-programme events/experiences or enough energy to stimulate the mind and produce more energy for heaven

<●Sunette>：Manuela，那些記憶能被用於重新編程事件/經驗，或有足夠的能量用於刺激心智而為天堂產生更多能量。

[20:35] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the whole energy/soul thing was similar to the capitalistic system --if you had the energy/momeny --you went to heaven

<▲Bernard Poolman>：整個能量/靈魂這套東西與資本主義制度非常相似——如果你有能量/金錢，你會去天堂。

[20:36] <●Sunette> Yes, so - if you worked hard enough through the mind and accumulate lots of energyfor heaven - you will be rewarded / if you work hard enough in the system and accumulate money for the banks - you will be rewarded

<●Sunette>：是的，因此如果你透過你的心智足夠努力地工作並為天堂累積大量的能量，那麼你就會得到獎賞；如果你在體制中足夠努力地工作並為銀行累積大量的金錢，那麼你就會得到獎賞。

[20:36] <▲Bernard Poolman1> People that claim to see past lives only see very partly and it is always to serve self interest

<▲Bernard Poolman>：那些聲稱能看到前世的人只看到非常片面的一部分，而且那總是服務於個人利益。

[20:37] <▲Bernard Poolman1> there will be extensive interviews on this coming

▲Bernard Poolman：：將會有大量的視頻訪談討論這些。

[20:38] <▲Bernard Poolman1> it is extensive to explain it all

▲Bernard Poolman：：解釋這一切的量極大。

[20:36] <kim__A> so literally all the rich people from earth went to heaven?

<kim__A>：那麼幾乎地球上所有的有錢人都去了天堂？

    

[20:38] <●Sunette> kim_A - all the elite, like money system elite/world system elite came through from bloodlines and was always protected in heaven and on earth

<●Sunette>：Kim_A，所有的精英，如金錢系統精英/世界系統精英，他們全都來自那些在天堂中和在地球上都總是受到保護的那些血脈。

[20:38] <●Sunette> Okay – Next points:

<●Sunette>：好的，接下來的一些點：

[20:38] <●Sunette> The idea that was sold, was that  if you remain loyal to the Light and God, you will achieve a form of equality through a life of bliss and love and light in heaven with your family of light.

<●Sunette>：當時被兜售的觀念是什麼？——如果你對光和神保持忠誠，那麼你就會在天堂中與你的光之家族通過極樂、愛和光的一生達到某種形式的平等。

[20:38] <●Sunette> To achieve this the information necessary to direct the Mind to for men souled-consciousness was channelled through forms of structured-knowledge like writing and the placement of specific-masters that would assist the human in their focused-attention, to focus the energy in creating a stable energy-body as there were many mansions/dimensions necessary to be filled, as there could not be just one dimension within the context polarity.

<●Sunette>：為了達到這些目的，需要有必要的資訊來指揮心智以便形成賦予了靈魂的意識，這些資訊的傳輸是通過結構化的知識如書寫品，以及安置特定的大師來協助人類將注意力專注於能量上，以創造一個穩定的能量身體，因為當時存在著如此多的天庭/位面需要得到滿足——因為在兩極性這個情境之中不可能只有一個維度。

[20:39] <mikelammers> there were many mansions/dimensions necessary to be filled sounds like product ranges

<mikelammers>：“當時存在著如此多的天庭/維度需要得到滿足”——聽起來好像商品區

[20:40] <▲Bernard Poolman1>yes--heavenly walmart to satisfy all desires --like in Islam theypromise the virgins

<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，天堂沃爾瑪超市滿足所有欲望——例如在伊斯蘭他們許諾處女。

  

 [20:40] <AntonF> yes b, 72 of them with eternal erection.

<AntonF>：是的，Bernard，他們被許諾有72個處女而且永遠堅硬。

   

[20:44] <●Sunette> AntonF - no, in Heaven did not see anything like that - there were lots of sexualized heavens - but, not one like that or not a large one, if beings did create heavens of their religions, they would do it themselves and be trapped in there themselves - the largest heavens was God, with Angels

<●Sunette>：AntonF，沒有，在天堂中沒看到過那樣的場景——確實是有許多性化的天堂，但沒有像那樣的，或者沒有那樣一個很大的天堂。如果存有們確實創造了他們所屬宗教的天堂，他們可以自己那樣做，並被自己囚困在那裡。曾經最大的天堂是神，帶有天使。

[20:40] <●Sunette> So - what the above paragraph entails is how, for example religions and spiritualities and the variations of that was placed in this world - to channel the beings' mind/focus to produce specific substances of energy /ensure a constant stream of energy creation as they are focused into/as one system

<●Sunette>：上面那段（指[20:38]那段）表明的是：宗教和靈性及其各種各樣的變體是如何被安置於這個世界中，用以將人們的心智/注意力傳導至生產特定的能量質/保障能量流的持續創造上，而人們則在其中專注成了一個系統。

[20:41] <●Sunette> There would be many different approaches by masters that would create different formsor ideas of consciousness, one using yoga, one using meditation,one using Breatharian ideas, one using Islam, one using Christianity and then many variations of this.

<●Sunette>：那些大師們採用的方法有許多，由此製造出意識的許多不同形式或觀念，例如一個大師可能會用瑜珈，一個用冥想，一個用辟穀觀念，一個用伊斯蘭教，一個用基督教，還有許許多多變體。

[20:41] <Joana> Sunette, in many religious places there is always some kind of miracle - how is that connected with the energy?

<Joana>：Sunette，在許多宗教場所中總是有某種奇蹟，這是如何與能量聯繫起來的？

[20:42] <▲Bernard Poolman1> Miracles focus the attention of the mind system to produce specific types of energy

<▲Bernard Poolman>：奇蹟將心智系統的注意力集中於生產特定類型的能量。

   

[20:42] <●Sunette> Joana - that we will explain in interviews to come

<●Sunette>：Joana，這些我們會在將來的視頻訪談中解釋。

[20:41] <Manuela> Sunette - so attention was the main aspect and that was "produced" through specific activities

<Manuela>：Sunette，注意力是主要的方面，而這是通過特定的活動“產生”的？

[20:42] <●Sunette> Manuela – energy was the main goal, and that was produced through channeling theirattention into/as particular specific 'activities' / 'religions' /'spiritualities' / 'life experiences' to ensure the being remainstable/constant into/towards a particular part of this reality to always produce energy

<●Sunette>：Manuela，能量才是主要的目的，而這是通過將他們的注意力傳導到特定的具體“活動”/“宗教”/“靈性”/“生命體驗”上，以確保存有們保持「穩定/恒定地」「進入/成為」這個現實的一個特定部分，以便總是生產能量。

[20:43] <TimGormley> Sunette, would heaven have eventually ran out of energy producers if every one would have been placed in heaven or hell, or would they find newenergy producers in the universe?

<TimGormley>：Sunette，如果每個人都已經被安置于天堂或者地獄之中，那麼天堂最終不會已經用光了能量生產者嗎？還是他們會在宇宙中尋找新的能量生產者？

[20:43] <▲Bernard Poolman1> tim—new beings were created constantly--there was a ready supply

<▲Bernard Poolman>：tim，新的存有們被持續不斷地創造出來，因此隨時都有供應。

     

[20:45] <●Sunette> TimGormley – yes ,earth was their primary production house, so - they obviouslty ensured that there's always sufficient beings on earth

<●Sunette>：TmGormley，是的，地球曾是他們的主要生產工廠，因此顯然他們會確保在地球上總是有足夠的人生產能量。   

[20:44] <Manuela> a ready supply  Bernard Poolman1 ?

<Manuela>：隨時供應？ Bernard

[20:44] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes—just like you think an idea into BEING

<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，就像你通過思考將一個觀念帶入到存在中一樣。

   

[20:45] <Manuela> dang - though my ideas are always "revised" because the physical rules

<Manuela>：可是我的觀念總是由於物理規律而被“修正”。

   

[20:45] <▲Bernard Poolman1> revised ideas were sevaral BEINGS

<▲Bernard Poolman>：修正了的那些觀念是幾個不同的存在者/存有。

[20:45] <▲Bernard Poolman1> as the BEINGS group it becomes an antity and when you choose your idea –a possession

▲Bernard Poolman：隨著這些存有們結集成群，它成為一個實體，而如果你選擇你的觀念，就會導致受支配著魔。

[20:45] <MattiFreeman> so after the white light was removed, as a lightworker with fluctuating motivation, various spiritual paths opened up with different activities and opportunities, like a fresh approach that would support me in generating energy when I would start to lose motivation -- what continued to direct these?

<MattiFreeman>：在白光被移除後，作為一個有著波動起伏動力的光之工作者，有各種不同活動和機會的各種靈性道路打開了，就好像是出現了一個可以在我開始失去動力時支持我產生能量的全新方式，那麼是什麼繼續在指揮這一切？

[20:46] <●Sunette> MattiFreeman – you did, remember, everything was automated in the mind/physical world through the mind/consciousness and so your mind would also go into   defence/protection mode to protect/defend itself

<●Sunette>：MattiFreeman，是你自己，要記住，在心智/物質世界當中，一切都透過心智/意識而被自動化了，因此你的心智也會進入防禦/保衛模式來保護/防衛它自己。

  

 [20:46] <▲Bernard Poolman1> there were only one planet of sound LEFT

▲Bernard Poolman：源於聲的行星只剩下最後一個

[20:46] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the rest have been consumed by self interest

▲Bernard Poolman：其餘的已經被自私自利消耗殆盡了

[20:46] <AnnaBrixThomsen> earth

<AnnaBrixThomsen>：是指地球

[20:46] <WeiWu> not all planets are of sound?

<WeiWu>：不是所有的行星都來源於聲？

    

[20:47] <▲Bernard Poolman1> not in the same contex weiwu

<▲Bernard Poolman>：不是在同一個語境下說的，weiwu

[20:47] <●Sunette> Okay – next points:

<●Sunette>：接下來的一些點：

     

[20:47] <●Sunette> There would be many different approaches by masters that would create different forms or ideas of consciousness, one using yoga, one usingmeditation, one using Breatharian ideas, one using Islam, one using Christianity and then many variations of this.

<●Sunette>：那些大師們採用的方法有許多，由此製造出意識的許多不同形式或觀念，例如一個大師可能會用瑜珈，一個用冥想，一個用辟穀觀念，一個用伊斯蘭教，一個用基督教，還有許許多多變體。

[20:47] <●Sunette> Through this forming groups that will eventually form part and parcel of the construction of an energy-dimension in heaven, where the Family of Light ? that means those that has similar image and likeness as soul-energy; would be together to experience a form of oneness and that that togetherness of oneness as a concentration of energy : would enhance the bliss and love experience as more and more of them get together.

<●Sunette>：由此形成一些群體，這些群體最終會形成用於建構天堂中的某個能量維度空間的組成部分，而光之家族（這是指那些作為靈魂能量具有相似的形象和行象的存有們）就會聚到一起體驗某種形式的一體體驗，而隨著越來越多的成員加入，那種在一起的一體作為一種集中了的能量就會增強那種極樂和愛的體驗。

  

 [20:48] <Manuela> so equality never existed anywhere as manifestiation of life ▲Bernard Poolman1 ?

<Manuela>：那麼等同生命的實質化的平等，從來都沒有在任何地方存在過，是這樣嗎，Bernard?

  

 [20:48] <▲Bernard Poolman1> no manuela

▲Bernard Poolman：：是沒有存在過，Manuela。

 

  [20:48] <●Sunette> As you can notice the planned-deception was near perfect and thus very difficult to see through.

<●Sunette>：正如你們會注意到的，這有計劃的欺騙幾乎完美無暇，因此非常難以看穿。

[20:48] <●Sunette> For it all to work effectively, all the humans had to be convinced that the realm of earth/physicality is actually an illusion; while the realm of the soul is the true reality. This was achieved with extra-ordinary success. As the whole concept of the soul was only possible through focused self-interest with the objective to create, for oneself an eternal-body through which you could experience yourself in a high vibration forever.

<●Sunette>：為了使這一切有效運作，必須使所有人類都相信：地球/物質世界的境域實際上是幻覺，而靈魂的境域是真正的現實。這取得了非凡的成就。因為這整套靈魂的觀念之所以成為可能，只有通過專注於自我利益——目標是為你自己創造一個永恆的身體，借此你可以在一個高振動頻率中永遠體驗你自己。

[20:49] <●Sunette> Obviously all the souls missed one critical point: they did not realise that this eternal life? was not really eternal, it was subject to a constant stream of energy and therefore reincarnation had to continue for eternity or as long as a planet would survive or the energy would run out. You can see here, where consumerism came from ? long before it was established on earth and where the era of oil and energy came from.

<●Sunette>：顯然，所有靈魂都忽略了的一個關鍵要點是：他們沒有認識到這“永恆生命”並非真正是永恆的，它依賴於一個持續的能量流，因此輪迴轉世必須得永遠繼續下去或者行星得能繼續存活下去，否則能量就會用光。你在這裡可以看到消費主義/消耗主義是來自哪裡了嗎？遠遠在其出現在地球上（石油和能源時代）之前，消費主義就已經存在了！

   

[20:49] <●Sunette> How heaven consumed the energy of the physical - how we consume the energy of the earth

天堂如何消耗了物質世界的能量 — 等於 — 我們如何消耗地球的能量。

   

[20:50] <▲Bernard Poolman1> as above so below

▲Bernard Poolman：天上如此，地上也如此。

[20:50] <▲Bernard Poolman1> as below so above

▲Bernard Poolman：地上如此，天上也如此。

[20:50] <▲Bernard Poolman1> all the answers is on earth

▲Bernard Poolman：所有的答案都在地球上。

[20:51] <●Sunette> We'll be walking a Series on this as well that will be available soon

<●Sunette>：我們對此還將會有一個系列視頻訪談一步步講解，這些訪談不久就會出現。

     

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通過門戶的聲：心智不是敵人

 https://desteni.org/desteni-material/blog/sound-through-portal-mind-not-enemy

SOUND THROUGH THE PORTAL: THE MIND IS NOT THE ENEMY

Dec 27, 2008  

Interview with Bernard and Sound through the Portal

標題：通過門戶的聲：心智不是敵人

日期：2008年12月27日

簡介：對伯納德與通過門戶的聲進行的訪談

Bernard: Ok, Bring Sound 

伯納德：好的，讓「聲」過來

(Sound comes through the Portal)

（聲進入門戶）

Bernard:  Explain the Directive Principle, Equality and Oneness, Sound.

伯納德：解釋指導原則，平等和一體，「聲」。

Sound: Well, ‘Sound’ is ‘Here’, always been ‘Here’.

聲：嗯，「聲」就是「這裡」，始終都是「這裡」。

You have ‘Sound’. I am not even going to describe it as ‘One Sound’ or ‘The Sound’, or anything like that - because, even in those words it would create a Point of Separation because it’s not even ‘One Sound’, it’s simply ‘Sound’, ‘that is Here’.

你有「聲」。我甚至不打算把它描述為「獨一的聲」或「這聲」，或任何類似的東西--因為，即使在這些詞語中，它也會創造一個分離點，因為它甚至不是「獨一的聲」，它單純就是「聲」，「在這裡的」。

And, basically what’s happened is that, Sound, is what Each Expression that is Manifested within Existence, Really Is = Sound. Not ‘a frequency’, not ‘a vibration’, not ‘a singular’... ‘movement’ not… , not anything that is ‘Singular’.

基本上發生的事情是，「聲」，是存在界中顯化出來的每一個表達，真正所是的 ＝是「聲」。不是頻率，不是振動，不是「單一的」...「運動」。不是...不是任何「單一」的東西。

For example, Human Beings are ‘Singular’, because you’re a ‘Singular Being’ in a ‘Singular Human Body’ with a ‘Singular Mind’ = All the Layers of Separation.

例如，人類是「單一的」，因為你是一個「單一的存有」在一個「單一的人體」內與一個「單一的心智」在一起 = 全都是分離的層次。

So basically, everything that’s Manifested Here has been Separated from Itself, which is Sound. So, Each Part either Exist as ‘A Vibration’, or ‘A Sound’, or ‘A Movement’, or ‘A Body’, or... ‘A Manifestation’. Everything is ‘A’, ‘Singular’.

所以基本上，分離於它自己的在這裡顯化的一切萬有，都是聲。所以，每一部分要麼作為「單一的振動」存在，要麼作為「單一的聲」存在，要麼作為「單一的運動」存在，要麼作為「單一的身體」存在，要麼作為「單一的顯化體」存在。一切事物都是「一個的」，「獨一的」。

So, the Process is for Each Part, Each Manifestation, Each Expression of Existence, to from your ‘Singularity’ become ‘a Whole’ so to speak.

所以，進程就是讓存在界的每個部分、每個顯化體、每個表達，從你的「單獨點」去走回「整體」。

And that Process is, of going from ‘Singularity’ to ‘A Whole’: Is Standing One and Equal with Every Single Part of Existence = Which is Yourself.

這個進程就是從「單獨點」走回「整體」：去與存在界的每一個部份站處於一體與平等＝（*存在界）就是你自己。

It’s like, this Whole Existence, this Whole Reality, this Whole World… is Yourself that has been ‘Split’ into all those Different Forms or Parts and Manifestations and Expressions.

這就像，整個存在界，整個現實，整個世界...就是你自己，它已被「分裂」為所有那些不同的形式或部分，及顯化體和表達。 

And, it’s like ‘You as Sound’ that ‘Split Yourself’ into ‘various different frequencies’, and ‘vibrations’ and ‘movements’, that Manifested as Each and Every Single, Individual, ‘Singular’ Expression or Manifestation.

而，它就像「作為聲的你」，「分裂了你自己」成為「各種不同的頻率」，與「振動」和「運動」，顯化為每一個單一的，個別獨立的，「單一的」表達或顯化體。

Now you have to become ‘Sound’, ‘Whole‘ again - Here. And that is done through, as I have said, Amalgamating You with Every-Single-Part that is Manifested within Existence.

現在你必須再次成為「聲」，「完整的」 - 在這裡。正如我所說的，這是要經由將你與存在界中被顯化的每一個部分給融合起來才能達成的。

May sound easy, and from a certain perspective it is. It’s, it’s a, a Realization, that, ‘All that Exists is Me’.

這聽起來也許很簡單，從某種角度來看確實是的。這是對於「存在的萬有都是我自己」的一個領悟。

Some will have such an ‘Instantaneous Realization’, others will go through a ‘little process’.

有些人會有這樣的「瞬間領悟」，有些人則是會經歷一段「小進程」。

I suppose ‘the process’ will come, where beings will try and do it - through their Mind. That’s basically the Only Part where ‘Process’ exists.

我認為「進程」會到來，人們將會試圖透過他們的心智去進行--這基本上是「進程」唯一存在於的部分。 

Where Beings ‘try’ and do their process, through the mind. Forgetting Themselves completely, ‘Here’.

人們會透過心智「嘗試」及進行他們的進程。完全忘記他們自己，「在這裡」。

What the fuck? 

搞什麼鬼？

“I’m Here!” You know, it’s just as simple as that.

「我就在這裡！」，你懂的，就是這麼簡單。

But the Mind’s an ‘Interesting Design Creation’ in Process - let’s say, because it can throw its ‘tweaks and curves’, ‘its hooks’, and see if you’re going to ‘fall hook line and sinker’ into the Mind or are you going to Recognize Yourself that is Here.

但是心智在進程中是一個「有趣的設計造物」--可以這麼說，因為它可以拋出它的「拉動和導引」，「它的魚鉤」，看看你是否會「上鉤並墮落」沉入心智，或是你能夠覺察到「在這裡」的自己

Bernard: Okay, just explain what happened to the Mind, how the Mind was ‘adjusted’.

伯納德：好的，那解釋一下心智發生了什麼，心智是如何的「被調整」了。

（譯註：這是指進程開始之後心智系統本身發生的轉變）

Sound: Well, the Mind is Sound, meaning, the Mind is You, ‘Who you Really Are’, in Manifestation.

聲：嗯，心智是聲，意思是，心智就是你，「你真正是誰」的顯化體。

So, basically the Mind is You, that’ll ‘Test You’, to the Utmost Specific Degree - to See if You’re ‘Whole’, if you’re ‘Sound’, if You’re ‘Actually Standing One and Equal – Manifest ‘: that’s ‘the Mind’.

所以，基本上，心智就是你，它將「測試你」，到最具體的程度-看看你是否「完整」，你是否是「聲」，你是否「實際上一體與平等的站立著-實化的」：這就是「心智」。

The ‘Mind is Sound’, the ‘Mind is You’, the Mind is ‘Who-You-Really-Are’ – ‘As a Whole’.

「心智是聲」，「心智是你」，心智是「你真正所是者」-「作為一個整體的」。

 ‘Who You Are’ - in Relation to the Mind, at this very moment:  is ‘You Believing Yourself to be Less than You’. Which is...’bizarre’.

在這當下，你所是者 - 在關聯到心智時：是「你相信你比你自己還渺小」，很詭異的。

（譯註：相信自己比自己的心智還渺小，但心智其實就是你）

Which is how we’ve always existed. Believing Ourselves to be Less than Ourselves, I mean how the fuck does that work.

我們一直都是這樣存在的，相信自己比自己還渺小。我是說這怎麼可能呢

Question: If ‘Ourselves is Here’, where is that ‘other self’, does that ‘other self’ really exist? That’s kind of where the Mind came in.

問題：如果「我們自己就在這裡」，那麼「另一個自己」在哪裡，「另一個自己」真的存在嗎？這有點像是心智的起源

The Mind’s existing because You Believe that You’re Less than Yourself. And that ‘point’ of ‘You Believing that You’re Less than Yourself’ can be seen in Various Manifestations and Forms in Your Reality, in your Direct World where, You Believe You’re Less than Another Person. It’s fascinating because Each Human Being, think they are Less than the Other. Which is also ‘bizarre’.

心智之所以存在，是因為你相信自己不如你自己。而「你相信自己不如自己」的「點」可以在你的現實中的各種顯化和形式中被看到，在你的直接世界中，你相信自己不如另一個人。這很有趣，因為每個人都認為他們自己是比其他人低下的。這也是很詭異的。

Everyone Existing Actually in Inferiority towards Each Other which is… Why? There’s no ‘purpose’ or ‘reason’ in it.

每個人實際上都存在於對於彼此的自卑感之中...但為什麼呢？其中沒有任何「目的」或「原因」。

It’s Fascinating. That’s just one example of how the point of ‘You Believing Yourself to be Less than Yourself’ has Manifested.

很有趣，這只是一個例子，說明 - 實體化的「你相信自己比自己渺小」之概念。

So, I’d say that is maybe ‘the one point’ to maybe sort out…, Believing or Perceiving Yourself to be Less than Yourself.

所以，我會說，這個重點也許可以解決掉「你自己比你自己更渺小的信念或認知」

It’s the point that kind of ‘Stands in the Air’, it’s not even ‘Real’, it ‘Doesn’t Exist’. But Beings believe-it, and so in that, they’ve ‘Made it Real’. They’ve Actually Manifested it in the Formation of the Mind.

那是一種空洞的概念，它甚至不是「真實的」，它根本「不存在」。但是存有們相信它，所以因此，他們已經「使其成真了」。他們實際上將其在心智型態中實化了。

And… Let’s say Throughout Existence, what’s been ‘the Problem’, the point that’s ‘been missed’, was that ‘the Mind is Not the Enemy’. The Mind is ‘You’. The Mind has always Been Here, and I suppose that’s where… what’s his name, Buddha and...Mainly Buddha, I mean, if Buddha have just got that point ‘right’, he would have actually...it’s ‘so close’. He Entered that Point where he Experienced Silence, but, ‘the one point he missed’ was ‘Not Realizing that He Was that Silence’.

而且...讓我們說，存在界一直以來的「問題」，「被忽視」的那一點，是「心智不是敵人」。心智就是「你」。心智一直都在「這裡」。我認為...那個誰，佛陀和......主要是佛陀，我的意思是，如果佛陀'正確'的理解了這一點，他實際上會是...「非常接近了」，他進入了體驗到寂靜的點位，但「他錯過了的一點」，那就是「他沒有察覺到他就是那個寂靜本身」。

He still related that Silence to: ‘The Silence is my Mind’, ‘is My Consciousness’.

他仍然將寂靜關聯上了：「寂靜是我的心智」、「寂靜是我的意識」

Then he went and gave it a ‘Definition’, a ‘Name’ = ‘Consciousness’, which… created then, in that ‘An Awareness of the Mind’. That’s how The Awareness of the Mind, The Consciousness of the Mind System was Created -- within Beings Believing the Mind to be an Entity that is ‘More than Yourself’ that can ‘Direct You’ or ‘Show You’ ‘where you must go’ or ‘how you must be’ or ‘what you must say’.

然後他去給它一個「定義」，一個「名字」 = 即「意識」，其...接著這創造了「一個對於心智的覺知」，這就是心智的覺知，心智系統的意識如何被創造出來的 -- 因著存有們相信心智是一個「比自己更廣大」的實體，是可以「指揮你」或「向你展示」「你必須去哪裡」或「你必須如何」或「你必須說什麼」的。

That’s why Beings at the moment ‘Trust their Mind’, because they believe their Mind is ‘a Consciousness’ is ‘a Higher Consciousness’ that is ‘more than’ them.

這就是為什麼此刻的存有們「信任他們的心智」，因為他們相信他們的心智是「一個意識」，是「一個比他們本身更為廣大的高等意識」。

So, that’s ‘another point’ to deal with is...or have a look at it - is ‘Believing that Your Mind is a Consciousness, is An Entity that is ‘more than’ You that can ‘direct you’’, does that make sense?

所以，這是要被處理或是被查看的另一個點 - 是相信：你的心智是一個意識，是'比'你更高大所以就可以'指揮你'的一個實體。理解嗎？

The Mind - I’ll say it again, the ‘Mind is You’, it simply is. So, the key is to consider: ‘What it is that your Mind is ‘showing you’’, in moments.

心智 - 我再說一遍，「心智就是你」，很單純的它就是。所以，關鍵是要考慮：「你的心智在向你展示著什麼」在每一刻中

I mean, it’s not about ‘Standing Separate from Your Mind’, it’s not about ‘Judging your Mind’, it’s not about ‘Fearing your Mind’, because all that you’re doing is that you’re Judging and Fearing Yourself.

我的意思是，這不是關於「與你的心智站處分開」，這不是關於「批判你的心智」，這不是關於「害怕你的心智」，因為你所做的一切都只是在批判與害怕你自己而已。

Your Mind is ‘You Showing You Back to Yourself’. Does that make sense?

你的心智是在「把你自己展示回給你自己」。懂嗎？ 

So, it’s like, really, you know Enjoy Yourself with ‘What You are Showing You’.

所以，這就像，真的，你知道的，享受你自己，關於'被你自己展示給你自己的'。

And, to not take everything so ‘seriously’. Because you can make it serious for yourself, of course. The Mind isn’t making anything ‘Serious’: You Are.

不要把一切都看得那麼「嚴肅」。當然的，你可以為自己把它搞的嚴肅。心智並沒有令任何事變得「嚴肅」：是你自己。

You…and it’s not the Mind that is ‘creating’ - understand that - the Mind is Constant. The Mind is Sound. The Mind is Here.

是你...而不是心智在「創造」--明白這一點--心智是恆常的。心智是聲。心智是這裡。

You, in your Separation with Yourself as the Mind created the ‘Perceptual Reality’.

你，你與等同心智的你自己分離了，創造出了「感知實相」。

So it’s like... 所以就像...

Here’s You (holds up a lighter), here’s your Mind (holds up a cigarette). Like the Cigarette is the Mind and the Lighter is You. Now the Mind is in the thoughts, is showing you points, of You, so that You can Amalgamate Yourself with You again.

這是你（舉起打火機），這是你的心智（舉起香菸）。就像香菸是心智，打火機是你。現在心智在思維當中，是在向你展示你的要點，這樣你就可以再次的與你自己融合。

Does that make sense?

理解嗎？ 

But now, if you Separate Yourself from your Mind (separating lighter and cigarette from each other) – that Point of Separation right there, is going to create a ‘friction’. That ‘friction’ creates for example your experiences of ‘Fear’ or ‘Anxiety’ and your ‘Emotions and Feelings’ basically.

但是現在，如果你把你自己與你的心智分離（把打火機和香菸彼此分離開）--在那的分離的點，將會產生一個「摩擦」。這種「摩擦」創造了，例如你的「恐懼」或「焦慮」的體驗，以及你的「情緒和感覺」，基本上的。

So if you are ‘in friction with Yourself’,  you’re in a ‘friction with your Mind’, it’ll Manifest as Emotions and Feelings. That’s what Emotions and Feelings are.

因此，如果你「與自己有所摩擦」，你是處於「與你的心智的摩擦」，它將顯現為情緒和感覺。這就是情緒和感覺的來處。

You know “Uh oh, what of my Mind, what of Myself am I ‘Judging’, or ‘Denying’ or ‘Resisting’ ?”. Does that make sense?

你知道的：「哦，我的心智包含什麼，我自身包含什麼，我是否在對其「批判」或「否認」或「抵抗」？」

理解嗎？

So, Embrace the Mind, which is ‘Embrace Yourself’, and Walk in Every-Moment to Amalgamate You with Yourself again.

所以，擁抱心智，也就是「擁抱你自己」，並且在每一刻前行，再次將你與你自己融合。

And the Mind will show you very specifically with ‘thoughts’, ‘pictures’, ‘images’ and shit like that -- Where You’re Not-Yet One and Equal with You. Does that make sense?

心智會非常具體地用「思維」、「圖像」、「幻想」之類的東西向你展示--在什麼地方你還沒有與你自己如一同等。理解嗎？

And that’s how it works.

就是這樣運作的

Bernard: And that’s your Self-Honest points, where you ‘see’ what your doing and you don’t ‘stop’ = that’s Dishonest. Just Stop, that’s Self-Honesty.  ‘Cause, have a look, each one ‘see’, Exactly, what he or she is doing. There is no Denying that.

伯納德：這是你的自我誠實的點。你「看到了」你在做什麼，而你卻不「停止」= 這是不誠實的。停下來就是自我誠實的。因為，看一看，每個人都已'看到'，實際上的，他或她正在做什麼，這是無法否認的。

Sound: So realize that ‘thoughts’ are not ‘Separate Manifestations’.

聲：所以要發覺到「思維」不是「分離的顯化體」。

‘Thoughts are You’ – alright - So when ‘a thought comes up’, that thought IS you, that thought ‘Is You, as the Mind that is You, Showing You What you’re Accepting and Allowing’.

「思維就是你」--好的--所以當「一個想法出現」的時候，那個思想就是你，那個思維是等如於你的心智，正在向你展示著，正在被你接納並容許著的事物」

Let’s take An Example: A ‘thought comes u’p. Now I’m going to use thoughts that many people don’t talk about, and these are things that Really come up in Beings Minds.

讓我們舉一個例子：一個想法出現了。現在我要使用很多人不去（*向他人）談論的想法，這些都是在人們的心智中真正出現的東西。

These random, ‘very odd’, ‘bizarre thoughts’ such as… Beings imagining, a man walking by, in a brown trench coat with a brown hat, long beard. And all of a sudden, you just see yourself ‘Stabbing’ this person.

這些隨機的「非常奇怪的」「詭異的想法」，例如...人們會有想像，當一個男人走過，穿著棕色風衣，戴著棕色帽子，蓄著長鬍子。突然間，你就看到自己正在「刺殺」這個人。

I mean, such thoughts come up in Many Beings. Actually, in All-Beings. Now, such thoughts will start occurring in Beings’ Minds - Why?

我的意思是，這樣的想法出現在許多人的腦海。事實上，所有的人都有。現在，這樣的想法將開始在人們的心智中出現 - 為什麼？

Because that has become the ‘Real, True Suppressed Nature of Man’. ‘Brutality’. ‘Vulgarness’. ‘Disgust’. ‘Anger’. ‘Fear’.

因為那已經變成了「真實的，人的被壓抑的真正的本性」：「殘酷」「粗暴」「憎惡」「憤怒」「恐懼」 

All those Words is what Humanity and Man has become due to… Each One, actually being so ‘Infuriorated’ (in fury) with Themselves, because, you know that You’re Separate from Yourself. You know that You Separated Yourself, from Yourself.

所有這些字詞都是人類和「人」已經成為的，由於...每個人，實際上是如此的「被激怒」，對他們自己狂怒，因為，你知道你已經與你自己分離了。你知道你把你自己與你自己分離開了。 

And for Eons of Time, Beings have attempted to Get-Back to Themselves, and it just hasn’t been ‘working’. And for Billions of Years, for Eons of Time this ‘Anger’ has ‘grown’ and ‘grown’. I call it ‘Fury’ – has ‘grown’ and ‘grown’ and ‘grown’ and ‘grown’.

而從亙古以來，存有們一直試圖回到他們自己，只是一直「行不通」。無數的歲月以來，從亙古以來這種「憤怒」已經不停的「增長」又「增長」。我稱之為「狂怒」- 已經「增長」又「增長」又「增長」又「增長」。

And, instead of Beings looking at it from: ‘Shit, I’m Directing it towards Me’ -- it’s being Directed towards Other Beings.

而且，存有們並沒有從這樣的角度來看：「雪特，是我自己引導了它給我自己」 - 反之它被轉移向其他的存有們

So, you’ll have ‘bizarre thoughts’ of ‘killing’, of ‘strangling’, of ‘murdering’, of ‘fucking’, of… Really Bizarre Thoughts that ‘you think’, ‘you would never think’; will Start Coming-Up - All Beings Minds.

所以，你會有「詭異的想法」，比如屠殺、扼殺、謀殺、強暴...真的很詭異的想法，你想過的，你從來沒有想過的，將會開始浮現 - 在所有人的心智當中

Now, some Beings will believe that ‘it is them’ (where yes, it ‘is them’, but they are missing the point that it’s about their own relationship towards Self – not Others). They’re thinking it, and therefore they will Act upon it, and Actually Do-It.

現在，有些存有會相信「這就是他們」（是的，這「是他們」，但他們忽略了一點，這是關於他們與他們自己的關係 - 跟其他人無關）。他們在思考它，因此他們會由其採取行動，並實際的去做。

Bernard: It’s already happened.

伯納德：這已經發生了。

Sound: That is the True Nature of Man, people. Such acts of ‘deliberate killing’.

聲：這是人及人類們的真實本性 - 那些「惡意殺傷」的行為。

And I’m not saying ‘war situations’. War is still a ‘conservative place’ where beings are allowed to ‘let go of their anger’ that is Actually directed toward Themselves - and fuck it out on Another Being. That’s also going to Stop.

我不是說「戰爭」。戰爭仍然是一個「保守的地方」，在那裡，人們被允許「釋放他們的憤怒」，那原本是是針對他們自己的 - 被發洩到了其他人身上。這也將會停止。

Because, it is simply Unacceptable, that the Very Nature of War … that’s why it exists (war), because Beings that are Angry with Themselves, are taking Their Shit out on Themselves, which is actually Another. I mean, we can’t continue like that.

因為，這單純是不可被接受的，戰爭的本質......這就是戰爭存在的原因，因為那些對自己發怒的存有們，正在把他們內在的雪特丟在他們自己身上，那其實是另一個人。我是說，我們不能再這樣下去了。

（譯註：另一個人就是自己）

So, Anger within Beings -- now I’m calling it ‘Fury’ -- because that’s what it is, it’s this ‘Festering Fury’, will Start Manifesting.

所以，存有們之內的憤怒--現在我稱之為「狂怒」--因為這就是它所是的，這是「腐化的狂怒」，將開始顯現。 

A Madness of Festering Fury will ensue in this World, in this Reality. Because that’s what’s really always has been ‘Hidden’.

一種腐化的狂怒的顛狂將在這個世界上及在這個現實中誕生。因為那其實是始終都被「掩蓋」著的。

The Mind is No More Functioning as a System that ‘Hides’ your True Nature. The Mind will now ‘Show you’ your True Nature.

心智已經不再作為一個「掩蓋」你的真實本性的系統而運作。心智現在將「向你展示」你的真實本性。

Bernard: The Mind was changed to Sound

伯納德：心智已經轉變成了聲

Sound: Ya…So in the Beginning, the Mind, the ‘Manifestation of the Mind’ was to… Suppress Beings and Allow a ‘Program’ to Run, a ‘Program’ to Exist, a ‘System’ to Exist.

聲：是的...所以在最初，心智，心智顯化體是被用於壓制存有們，並讓一個程式去運行及存在，讓一個系統存在

So, Not One Being, Not One Human Being, not One Expression in Existence has actually ever ‘known’ ‘What’ you Really Are, within Yourself.

所以，沒有一個存有，沒有一個人類，存在界中沒有一個表達，曾經真正的「知道」你在你自己之內實際是什麼。

That’s always been Suppressed, through the Mind Consciousness System that was Integrated and Manifested Within and as You.

藉由被安裝與實化在你之內並且就作為你的心智意識系統，那一直被壓抑著

So basically, what happens is, You with your Anger, ‘that you are’, ‘that you’ve always been throughout eons of time’, is Fueling the Existence of the Mind Consciousness System.  That’s how it was set in.

所以基本上，發生的是，你和你的憤怒，即「你所是者」，「你從亙古以來一直所是的」，是心智意識系統之存在的燃料。這是它在過去的設置。 

So, ‘You’ would be Suppressed,  ‘Your True Nature as this Fury’ would be ‘Suppressed’, and this ‘Fury’ as this ‘Energetic Charge’, would Charge the Mind Consciousness System that will be in the Foreground.

因此，「你」被壓制，「你的真實本性，即這個狂怒」被「壓制」著，而這種「狂怒」作為一種「能量脈衝」，替將在最前端（*運行）的心智意識系統進行充能。

That’s what you experience as your… I’m talking now how it Previously worked. That’s what you would have Experienced as your ‘thoughts’, your ‘emotions and feelings’ -- that was all Programmed, that was Not Real.

這就是你所經歷的，我現在說的是其以前怎麼運作的，這就是你所體驗過的，如同你的「思維」、你的「情緒和感受」-- 那都是被編程的，那不是真實的。

The ‘Real You as the Fury’ -- was actually behind the Mind.  ‘Beneath’ the Mind.  Fueling the Mind Consciousness System.

「等同狂怒的真實的你」--實際上是在心智的後面，在心智之下，為心智意識系統充能。

So, when the Mind transformed into Sound (this is you) the ‘Whole Picture’ changed a bit.

所以，當心智轉化為聲（就是你）時，「整個畫面」發生了一點變化。

Because what happened was that; Everything that You Created as Yourself, through the Mind - was now ‘Amalgamated Into You and As You’ also.

因為所發生的是;那些你透過心智所創造的，等同於你自己的一切 - 現在也被「融合到你之內並且作為你」了。

So the Mind Consciousness System itself, within which you’ve existed -- did not ‘disappear’. No, it’s also You. Therefore it’s now Amalgamated as You. Does that make sense?

所以你過去曾存在於其中的心智意識系統本身 - 並沒有「消失」。不，它也是你。因此，它現在被合併成為你。理解嗎？

Darryl:  Well that… changes…so that changes like,  I don’t know what you call it the relationship,  because  before it’s like, ‘stop your mind’ to keep from existing and now its…… trying to be…..

達里爾：嗯，那......改變了......所以這改變像是，我不知道你怎麼稱呼它的關係，因為之前它就像是，「停止你的心智」，以保持其不存在，現在它......試圖成為......

Bernard: But you’re not ‘Stopping the Mind’ though - you’re ‘Stopping You’

伯納德：但其實你不是在「停止心智」，你是在「停止你自己」。

Sound: Now it’s you’re stopping yourself……

聲：現在是你在停止你自己......

Bernard: No - but even in saying ‘Stopping the Mind’, have a look, what are you Stopping?  You’re not ‘Stopping your Mind’, the Mind is Always Stable. You’re Stopping ‘You’ from ‘Projecting through the Mind’.

伯納德：不 - 但即使是在談到「停止心智」的時候，看看，你在停止什麼？你不是在「停止你的心智」，心智總是穩定的。你是正在阻止「你本身」透過心智進行投射。

That’s never been ‘different’, in anything, because from the Beginning that was the Point:  Stop the Mind. What are you Really Stopping?  What is it That You Have to Realize?

從任何方面來看，這從來都沒有什麼「不同」，因為從一開始，這就是重點：停止心智，你到底在阻止什麼？你必須要領悟的是什麼？ 

You’re not Stopping the Mind, you’re Stopping ‘You’.

你不是在阻止心智，你是在停止「你本身」。

Have a look at it -- all we said is: ‘Stop the Mind’.

看看它--我們只說了：「停止心智」。

Why? 為什麼？

There must be some Self-Realization as well.

在那也是要有一些自我領悟的

Sound: And look how previously it was, Here was ‘You’ (holds up cigarette), here was the Mind Consciousness System (holds up lighter). The Mind Consciousness System was Separate from You. Alright.

聲：看看以前的情況，這是「你」（舉起香菸），這是心智意識系統（舉起打火機）。心智意識系統與你分離。

You as the Fury, fueled this Mind Consciousness System Manifestation. Now - the Mind Consciousness System has become ‘Aware as Sound’, and is now ‘Amalgamated With and As You’, alright.

在過去你作為狂怒，為這個心智意識系統顯化體提供了燃料。現在-心智意識系統已經變成了「覺察如同聲」，且現在已經被與你本身融合並且等同於你，

Darryl: Uhuh 

達瑞爾：嗯嗯

Sound: So the thoughts and stuff that will be coming up is Actually You as the Mind, as Sound, Showing to You What You Are - in ‘Thought Form Manifestation’ - so you can Assist and Support Yourself to Fucking See Yourself.

聲：因此，將會到來的想法和東西，實際上是作為心智、作為聲的你，在向你展示你所是者-在「思維形式的顯化體」中 - 以令你可以協助和支援你自己去看清你自己。

Darryl: Wow 

達里爾：哇

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翻譯日期：2023/12/25