輪迴轉世與天堂的永恆統治

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[聊天記錄翻譯] 輪迴轉世與靈魂

    翻譯：吳畏

    說明：以下聊天記錄在翻譯過程中為了便於閱讀理解而對發言先後順序做了調整，並且主要抽取出了由Sunette和Bernard直接參與的談話，涉及到他人的對話內容主要是他們提出的問題，對話其餘部分則未翻譯。

     

[19:51] Topic changed: Reincarnation and the soul --Sunette will have the floor

主題：輪迴轉世和靈魂——Sunette會開始講解

[19:59] <●Sunette> Reincarnation and the Soul

<●Sunette>:輪迴轉世與靈魂

[19:59] <●Sunette> Before earth existed . beings existed throughout the universe, very much similarly to how we exist on earth now. They were born, not necessarily through a woman and they died. It was like coming from a planet and then returning to a planet upon death. Therefore, the nature-design of a being was related to the planets/stars.

<●Sunette>: 在地球存在以前，存有們遍佈整個宇宙，非常像我們如今在地球上的存在方式。他們會出生（但不必通過女人），他們也死亡。他們就好像從行星中來，然後在死亡時又回到行星中去。因此一個存有的本質設計樣式是與行星/星球有關的。

[20:00] <●Sunette> When it was discovered that Earth as Sound represented a perspective through which eternal life could be designed .the idea of the soul was conceived and was marketed and sold to all the beings in the Universe.

<●Sunette>：當等同聲的地球被發現，提供了一個視角，由此可以設計永恆生命時，靈魂的觀念就被孕育、推銷並兜售給了宇宙中的所有存有們。

[20:00] <●Sunette> The point was, that ensoulment of a Being would give them eternal-life. For that, the being had to become part of the planet Earth, or as it was called at the time: Atlantis; and then through a system  which is the Mind Consciousness System; they would design an energy-body with the energy-body being the energy of the planet captured in-time as a system.

<●Sunette> :當時（關於靈魂所推銷和兜售）的要點是，將靈魂賦予一個存有會給他們永恆生命。為此，這個存有必須得成為行星地球（那時地球被稱為亞特蘭蒂斯）的一部分，然後通過一個系統（也就是心智意識系統），他們會設計出一個能量身體，這個能量身體是由此行星的能量被捕獲於時間中而產生的一個系統。

[20:01] <●Sunette> (All - if you have any questions as you read - Ask, and we'll discuss)

<●Sunette>：（所有人，如果你們在閱讀時有任何問題，請發問，我們會討論。）

[20:01] <●Sunette> This was a chieved through the capturing of images and relationships as memories and when a being has captured sufficient memories within the agreed context of what souls would be allowed to form part of the future ternal realm called heaven: a being would become ensouled by being recognized as a soul by the hierarchy that set themselves up as command and control of the process of eternal-life.

<●Sunette>：這是通過將圖像和關係捕獲成為記憶而做到的，當一個存有已經（根據當時大家同意了的：什麼樣的靈魂會被允許形成將來被稱為‘天堂’的永恆之境的一部分）而捕獲了足夠多的記憶時，那麼這個存有就會被一個階級體制，認可為一個靈魂從而被賦予靈魂。（該階級體制將他們自己設立為這個永恆生命的過程之中的指揮控制體系）

[20:01] <●Sunette> Now, here it is important to remember or realise, the context of consciousness as it relates to memory, where memory is seen as giving values Which is then linked to either good or bad.

<●Sunette>：注意，這裡要記住或認識的非常重要的一點是：意識的情境，因為意識與記憶有關，而記憶被視作“賦予價值”，進而被連結到了好或壞。

[20:02] <●Sunette> Those that were good, thus loyal to the hierarchy which later-on became known asThe Light/God, would be allowed to form part of the Family of Light, which was given the name of Life and be allowed to live eternally in Heaven in the company of God/The Light. To make sure that those allowed into heaven were Loyal a process of tests were designed which became known as reincarnation.

<●Sunette>：那些好人——也就是那些忠於那個階級體制而後來成為了光/神的存有們，他們會被允許形成光之家族的一部分（光被稱為“生命”），從而被允許永遠活在天堂中的「神/光」的公司中。為了確保那些被允許進入天堂的存有們是忠誠的，一個考驗過程被設計出來了，這成為了我們現在所知的輪迴轉世。

[20:02] <●Sunette> So - up to here,thus far - we have got the process of the creation of Reincarnation

<●Sunette>：因此，到目前為止，我們講了輪迴轉世的創造過程。

[20:03] <●Sunette> Your lives on earth as a 'test' to your loyalty/servancy to God/White Light to'deserve' your 'place in Heaven'

<●Sunette>：你在地球這裡的生命（過去）是對你的“考驗”——“考驗”你是否對神/白光忠誠並服務於它，以“贏得”你“在天堂中的地位”。

[20:03] <●Sunette> The evidence of the loyalty or disloyalty were stored in the Akashic Records to be used on Judgment-day where the decision would be made whether you would go to Heaven as a Soul or to Hell as a Demon/De-Souled being . Because the design of the Soul was based-on Energy  there was a Polarity that had to be directed.

<●Sunette> ：是否忠誠的證據被保存在了阿卡西記錄中，被用於在審判日做出決定——你是作為一個靈魂進入天堂，還是作為一個惡靈/無靈魂的存有進入地獄。由於靈魂的設計是建立在能量的基礎上的，因此有兩極性必須得到導引。

[20:04] <▲Bernard Poolman1> you will find the idea/promise of eternal life or eternal damnation in most religiouns

<▲Bernard Poolman>：在大部分宗教中你都會發現對永恆生命或永恆懲罰的許諾/觀念。

    

[20:05] <●Sunette> Obviously, here -what beings didn't know/realise was the 'amount of lives' they'd have to walk on this earth to be 'judged' as loyal or disloyal -additionally, because they would not remember how many lives they'd already walked through and so - they could be 'enslaved' for as long as the hierarchies desires

<●Sunette>：顯然，在這裡存有們未曾知道/認識到的是：在他們被“審判”為是忠誠的還是不忠誠的之前，他們必須得在這個地球上經歷“多少生世”——除此之外，因為他們不會記住他們已經經歷了多少生世，因此那個階級體制想要“奴役”他們多久就能“奴役”他們多久。

[20:05] <●Sunette> Therefore  having demons were essential to the existence of the Soul to allow the negative energy to be consumed and not to accumulate and cause problems to the balance of eternal Life.

<●Sunette>：因此，當時惡靈的存在對於靈魂的存在在本質上是必要的，為的是允許負面能量被消耗掉，而不是累積而對永恆生命的平衡造成問題。

     

[20:05] <●Sunette> Therefore the positive energy were channelled to Heaven to create eternal life , and the negative energy was channelled to the demon-dimension to create ?Hell? so to speak. Both sides of the polarity were subject to a constant stream of energy.

<●Sunette>：因此，正面能量被傳輸到天堂中去製造永恆生命，而負面能量被傳輸到惡靈維度中去製造所謂的“地獄”。兩極的雙方都屈從於持續不斷的能量流。

[20:06] <●Sunette> So - here you have your Spirituality / Positivity - generating energy within the mind for Heaven

<●Sunette> ：因此，靈修/正面是在心智之中為天堂生產能量。

[20:06] <AnnaBrixThomsen> Were beings then also prompted/pushed to become demons?

<AnnaBrixThomsen>：那時的存有們也被往成為惡靈的方向激勵/推動嗎？

    

[20:06] <▲Bernard Poolman1> Loyalty had to be proven --thus no prompting other than to get to the real decision of the being

<▲Bernard Poolman>：忠誠必須被證明——因此，沒有推動，只有存有自己做出真正的決定。

  

 [20:07] <●Sunette> Anna - no, they were contained in the demon dimension, especially in the beginnings as some beings were seen as threats to the equilibirum of the vibration of heaven and so were trapped into memories/experiences to 'contain' them and left them in the 'lower planes' where demons were formed

<●Sunette>：Anna，沒有，他們被囚禁在惡靈維度中，尤其是在起初時，因為一些存有們被視作是對天堂的振動平衡產生威脅，因此他們被困在記憶/體驗之中以“囚禁”他們，並把他們留在“較低層面”中，惡靈們就是從那裡形成的。

 [20:08] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes--loyalty meaning to submit to god without question for eternity

<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的——忠誠意味著順從神並且永遠不質疑。

[20:07] <AnnaBrixThomsen> What was the ratio? Did it have to be 50/50 to maintain balance?

<AnnaBrixThomsen>：比例是多少？維持平衡是否必須得是50/50的比例？

   

[20:08] <●Sunette> Anna – no

<●Sunette> ：Anna，沒有。

     

[20:08] <AnnaBrixThomsen> ok thanks

<AnnaBrixThomsen> ：好的，謝謝。

  

 [20:09] <●Sunette> The ratio was maintained through the unified consciousness field that would callibrate the extent of positive and negative energy - and when the positive is low, they'd insert ways/means/events to lift the vibrations of minds in humans to generate positive energy – through spirtituality/religion/sex

<●Sunette> ：比例是通過聯合意識場來維持的，聯合意識場會調校正面能量和負面能量的程度 —— 當正面能量低時，他們會植入一些方法/手段/事件來提升人類心智的振動用以生產正面能量 —— 通過靈修/宗教/交媾。

  

 [20:09] <▲Bernard Poolman1> once a demon --you were no longer part of reincarnation unless you stole a body

<▲Bernard Poolman>：一旦成了惡靈，你就不再是輪迴轉世的一部分了，除非你偷一個身體。

  

 [20:08] <MattiFreeman> the people in this chat - were we mostly loyal to heaven, or demons, or have we done it all?

<MattiFreeman>：參與目前這個聊天的人——我們是大部分都曾忠於天堂，還是做過惡靈，還是我們全都做過？

  

 [20:09] <●Sunette> lol Matti - we've all been around the wheel of existence

<●Sunette>：哈哈，Matti，我們全都在整個存在之輪中到處轉過。

  

 [20:08] <mikelammers> so it was either licking feet or fucking of and roam as a demon? As below so above?

<mikelammers>：因此你要麼跪拜在地，要麼滾蛋而成為惡靈到處遊蕩？天上如此，地上也如此？

   

[20:09] <KimKline> What determined the real decision of the being?

<KimKline>：什麼決定了一個存有的真正決定？

  

 [20:09] <Joana> was there a choice?

<Joana>：存在著選擇嗎？

 

  [20:10] <▲Bernard Poolman1> hte choice was either loyalty to god regardless --or to reincarnte to see if you would become loyal or to be send to the demon dimensions

▲Bernard Poolman：當時的選擇是：你要無條件的忠於神，否則會被送入輪迴轉世以測試你是否能變得忠誠，或需要被送入惡靈維度。

  

[20:11] <▲Bernard Poolman1> free choice was to choose god

▲Bernard Poolman： 自由選擇在當時是選擇神。

[20:12] <RandyKrafft> so there wasn't'free' choice, then

<RandyKrafft>：那麼根本就不存在“自由”選擇了。

[20:12] <●Sunette> No Randy

<●Sunette>：是不存在，Randy

[20:12] <kim__A> wow so you'd re main a demon forever

<kim__A>：哇，那就會永遠是惡靈了

 

  [20:13] <▲Bernard Poolman1>yes--eternal damnation kim

▲Bernard Poolman：Kim, 是的——永恆的懲罰

  

 [20:10] <RubenMoutinho> Is there a difference between positive and negative energy?

<RubenMoutinho>：正面能量與負面能量有區別嗎？

   

[20:11] <●Sunette> Ruben - yes and no- the substance of the energy was the same as created through the mind in polarity - but the nature of the energy differed, asnegative energy was more heavier/substantial and positive energy more airy-fairy

<●Sunette>：Ruben，答案是既有又沒有——能量的基質是相同的，都是透過心智在極性之中製造出來的；但是能量的性質不同，因為負面能量更沉重/有實質性，而正面能量更輕飄飄/空洞。

[20:12] <▲Bernard Poolman1> in a way the negative was the dark energy and the positive the light energy

<▲Bernard Poolman>：在一定意義上，負面能量是暗能量，而正面能量是光能量。

 

  [20:12] <●Sunette> Okay - let's continue:

<●Sunette>：好的，我們繼續：

 

  [20:12] <●Sunette> The being that would reincarnate would reincarnate within a chosen-test form at with little recall of previous-lives and once they die, the new life s memories would be stored in the Akaschic Records where it would be studied by the hierarchy to see if a being has proven their loyalty to God.

<●Sunette>：投胎的存有將會轉世到一個選擇測試的形式之中，幾乎回憶不起以前的生世。當他們死亡時，這新的一生的記憶就會被儲存在阿卡西記錄中，由階級體制進行研究，考察這個存有是否已經證明了他們對神的忠誠。

[20:13] <●Sunette> Thus, would they support and remain part of the system and never question the hierarchy. If a person / soul were found to be ready  they would ascend and be freed from the cycle of rebirth/tests and they would be allowed to choose a life-path which would either be service to the hierarchy in various forms, like ? being a guide, or being are searcher in the Akaschic Records or being the Pillar

eternal-society to keep the energy stable

 <●Sunette>：因此，他們會支援這個系統並成為這個系統的一部分而永遠不質疑階級體制。如果一個人/靈魂被發現準備好了，他們就會飛昇，並從重新出生/考驗的迴圈中解脫出來，然後他們會被允許選擇一個生命道路——而這會以各種形式服務於階級體制，例如成為一個指導靈，或者成為阿卡西記錄的一個研究員，或者成為永恆社會的支柱而維持能量的穩定。

[20:13] <AntonF> and which god was that sunettte, as there were zoo of them? 

<AntonF>：Sunette，那神是什麼？是有一群神嗎？

[20:13] <●Sunette> AntonF - 'God' /'The White Light' / 'Anu'

<●Sunette>：AntonF，“神”/“白光”/“安努”

    

[20:14] <●Sunette> For these purposes Families of Light were created, which would work together to establish a particular energy-dimension where a certain amount of beings that?s ensouled would be able to exist for eternity in a form of positive happiness and bliss, similarly to being on a form of drugs.

<●Sunette>：為了達到這些目的，光之家族被創立了，他們會一起合作確立一個特定的能量維度，在其中一定數量的被賦予了靈魂的存有們能夠永遠存在於一種“正面的幸福和極樂”狀態中，與吸毒的人很相似。

     

[20:15] <●Sunette> And, if one look at for example, drugs/alcohol - it give one that positive/heavenly experience - equal-to and one-with that heavenly-experience self as the soul desired and so addictions are created to energy/heaven/afterlife searching for the 'better life' as we're pre-programmed to yearn for 'that experience'

<●Sunette>：並且，如果你看一看毒品/酒精——這些東西給人一種正面/天堂般的體驗，這與作為靈魂的自己所渴望的天堂般的體驗是等同如一的，由此製造出了對「能量/天堂/死後生命世界」的上癮，追求著“更好的生命”，因為我們被預先編程了對“那種體驗”的渴望。

 

  [20:14] <Manuela> Sunette: how was the positive negative energy measured - through the unified field -but how?

<Manuela>：Sunette，正面能量和負面能量那時是如何被測量的？通過聯合意識場？但是如何測量呢？

    

[20:15] <●Sunette> Manuela - through a magnetic unified field encircling the world-unified field from which energy/frequency tests were done to assess the ratios

<●Sunette>：Manuela，是通過一個環繞著世界聯合場的磁性聯合場來做能量/頻率檢驗的，用以評估正負能量的比例。

[20:18] <Manuela> Sunette is there a relation to this technology within what we experience as gravity?

<Manuela>：Sunette，我們體驗到的萬有引力與這種科技是否有關？

   

[20:19] <●Sunette> Manuela – which technology?

<●Sunette> ：Manuela，什麼科技？

   

[20:20] <Manuela> the technology of taking tests to understand the levels of frequency for calibration Sunette

<Manuela>：Sunette，我是指用於檢驗頻率級別以進行調校的那些科技。

  

 [20:22] <●Sunette> Manuela - it's not technology per say; the measurement was do n einter dimensionally/physically as the beings themselves/through the beings themselves that stood equal-to and one with the frequencies/energies and callibrations and could do the test through themselves

<●Sunette>：Manuela，那些並非科技，那些測量的做法是跨維度/物質性地等同/通過那些存有他們自己立於與頻率/能量和調校等同如一，因此他們可以通過他們本身進行校驗。

 

  [20:15] <▲Bernard Poolman1> in higher frequencies--the higher the frequency --the higher the heavens

<▲Bernard Poolman>：在更高的頻率中——頻率越高，天堂的層級越高。

 

  [20:15] <Carolyne_Schnidr> is frequancy same as enery?

 

<Carolyne_Schnidr>：頻率與能量相同嗎？

[20:16] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes ---frequency/vibration is the rate with which the energy moves –the faster it moves--the more exitement --like a sugar high

<▲Bernard Poolman>：相同。頻率/振動是能量運動的速率，而能量運動越快，激勵就越強，就好像吃糖帶來的快感一樣。

[20:17] <●Sunette> Yes, though – there was 'frequency' in the dimensional existence different from the current understanding of frequency - which was a mix between energy and magnetics that created an extensive 'force/movement' and was often used to create fields around energy/to contain energy

<●Sunette>：相同，可是在維度存在界中曾有一種與目前理解的頻率不同的“頻率”，這種頻率是介於能量和磁性之間的一種混合體，它能產生一股很強的“力/運動”，曾常被用於在能量周圍產生力場來容納能量。

[20:17] <kim__A> sunette - were these'heavenly blissful beings' aware that they were consuming the energy from earth - or did they have nice stories that cover up the truth?

<kim__A>：Sunette，那些“天堂中享受極樂的存有們”曾覺察到他們是在消耗來自地球的能量嗎？還是他們編造了一些美麗的故事來掩蓋真相？

  

 [20:18] <●Sunette> kim_A - some knew,others didn't - but was always believed that, that connection of energy was 'god' / 'white light' unifying/keeping in contact with its children / creation

<●Sunette>：Kim_A，有一些人知道，其餘人不知道——但他們一直都相信：能量的連結是“神”/“白光”在與其「子民/創造物」「聯合統一/保持聯繫。」

   

[20:17] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the mind consciousness system was the factory with which the energy was produced through "natural" living

<▲Bernard Poolman>：心智意識系統是個工廠，能量由此透過“自然”的生活而被生產出來。

  

 [20:18] <▲Bernard Poolman1> energy of the mind is either feelings or emotions --feelings being higher and emotions being lower

▲Bernard Poolman：：心智的能量是感覺或是情緒——感覺高一些，情緒低一些。

（*轉貼備註：感覺是正向能量，情緒是負向能量）

  

 [20:19] <Deedra_> so in heaven where there ever 'experiences of feelings or emotions'? 

<Deedra_>：那麼在天堂中曾經有過“感覺或能量的體驗”嗎？

  

 [20:19] <●Sunette> Deedra_ only feelings / positive energy as all of heaven was layered in to different vibrations of one pure/positive/good energy

[20:19] <●Sunette> All the bad stuff was kept down there by humans and demons

<●Sunette>：Deddra，在天堂中只有感覺/正面能量，因為所有的天堂都是由一種純粹/正面/好的能量層疊進不同的振動之中的。所有的負能量都被固定降下到人類和惡靈那裡。

[20:21] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the way the heavens we layered where through frequency bands --like a magnetic layer that repel any one that is not of the particular frequency to make sure each one end up in the dimension they belong to or have achieved --this happened between lives while waiting for reincarnation

▲Bernard Poolman：過去天堂的分層是通過頻率帶實現的，就好像一個磁層一樣，它會排斥任何不屬於某個特定頻率的人，以確保每個人都處於他們所屬或達到的維度中 —— 這發生在每一世之間的等待投胎的階段

[20:21] <AnnaBrixThomsen> lol bad science fiction movies are molded in the image and likeness of reality

<AnnaBrixThomsen>：哈哈，像是糟糕的科幻電影被塑造進了實在的形象和行象之中。

   

[20:22] <MattiFreeman> heaven was the highest budget movie ever

<MattiFreeman> ：天堂是有史以來預算最高的電影了。

     

[20:22] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yesmattifreeman --it was all about the show--just like it is now on earth

<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，mattifreeman，全都只是一場秀而已，就像現在地球上的一樣。

     

[20:22] <●Sunette> Okay - let'smove on and recap for a moment:

<●Sunette> 好的，我們繼續，暫時先概括一下：

     

[20:23] <●Sunette> For the  purposes Families of Light were created, which would work together to establish a particular energy-dimension where a certain amount of beings that`s ensouled would be able to exist for eternity in a form of positive happiness and bliss, similarly to being on a form of drugs.

<●Sunette>：為了達到這些目的，光之家族被創立了，他們會一起合作建構一個特定的能量維度，在其中一定數量的被賦予了靈魂的存有們能夠永遠存在於一種“正面的幸福和極樂”的狀態中，與吸毒的人很相似。

[20:23] <●Sunette> This state of high energy-vibration  would then be called Love. The nice thing about this ensoulment process was that, the energy were harvested but the memories were separated from the being at death, and therefore the being would not remember eventually what happened on earth 

as they would be  through the directed messages on earth ,focused on the ideal of eternal-life.

<●Sunette>：這種高能量振動狀態接著被稱為“愛”。在這個賦予靈魂的過程中一件巧妙的事是，存有的能量被收割走了，但當此存有死亡時，記憶卻與他分離開了，因此這個存有最終不會記起在地球上發生了什麼，因為他們會通過在地球上受控的消息，而專注于永恆生命的理念上。

 

  [20:23] <▲Bernard Poolman1> all about controling the desires and hopes of the beings--to achieve eternal life

<▲Bernard Poolman>：這些全都是為了控制人們對達到永恆生命的欲望和希望。

  

 [20:23] <Carolyne_Schnidr> Is there a difference between mind created energy through emotions thoughts and feelings and energy like feng shui （wind water） and influence of stars to human beings?

<Carolyne_Schnidr>：心智透過情緒、思想和感覺產生的能量，對比例如風水及對人類產生影響的星象的能量，之間有區別嗎？

[20:24] <●Sunette> Carolyne – nope ,same mind-energy, different ：'experience/definition' - but same mind-energy generation

<●Sunette>：Carolyne，沒有區別，是同樣的心智能量，不同的“體驗/定義”，但是同樣的心智能量產生。

  

 [20:25] <▲Bernard Poolman1> carolyne --wind, water, fengshui, the starts were all symbolic influences that would stimulate particular programms to create specific types of energy to supply to specifc dimensions--there were many dimensions each requiring their particular energy in a steady flow--thus the control of the mind in relation to stimulus and production had to be very steady and that is why it is so difficult to break the control patterns

<▲Bernard Poolman>：carolyne，風、水、風水和星象以前都是符號式的影響，它們會啟動心智之中特定的程式，創造特定類型的能量，以供應給特定的維度空間，以前有許多維度空間，每一個都需要有穩定流動的特定能量——因此與刺激和產生能量相關的心智控制必須得非常穩定，這就是為什麼打破控制模式如此困難。

[20:25] <Antoaneta> kind of like a code you tuned into   Bernard?

<Antoaneta>：像是一種你調頻的編碼，Bernard？

[20:27] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes antoaneta

▲Bernard Poolman：：是的，antoaneta

[20:23] <MayaH> Sunette: what is the families of light?

<MayaH>：Sunette，什麼是光之家族？

[20:25] <●Sunette> MayaH - Group Souls/ Groups of beings in Heaven creating/existing in their own heaven

<●Sunette>：MayaH，光之家族是指在天堂中的靈魂群體/存有群體，他們創造他們自己的天堂並存在於其中。

[20:26] <MayaH> so that was after they ascended the reincarnation sunette?

<MayaH>：Sunette，那是在他們從輪迴轉世中揚升後嗎？

[20:27] <●Sunette> MayaH – yes

<●Sunette>： MayaH，是的。

[20:24] <RandyKrafft> so is this where the family construct - as we know it - came into being - as aby-product of the ';families of light'?

<RandyKrafft>：那麼這是否就是我們如今所知的家族構造起源的地方——是“光之家族”的副產物？

[20:26] <●Sunette> RandyKrafft – no ,the concept of family came waaaayyyyy before that, already with all the races established in the dimensions before humans/earth

<●Sunette>：RandyKrafft，不是的，家族觀念的出現遠遠遠遠在那之前，在人類/地球存在以前，在維度界中已經確立起的所有族群中就已經有家族觀念了。

[20:26] <▲Bernard Poolman1> families of light were n beings of likeness --where like attratcts like –like the ultimate ego boost to meet more versions of yourself yet being uniqiue

<▲Bernard Poolman>：光之家族是一些相似的存有——物以類聚，人以群分——這就好像對臆構自我（ego）的終極推升，你遇見更多版本的你自己，然而還是保持獨特的。

 

  [20:27] <DavidDuncan> so we've always been about only chasing a high and wanting to be in a safe place ,only ever looking out for ourselves and following self-interest -not really ever considering the experience of anything or any one else no matter what the suffering - it's just self-interest ,self-interest, self-interest

<DavidDuncan>：我們一直都是在追尋快感，想要處於一個安全的地方，永遠只是在尋求我們自己，遵從著自私自利，從來都沒有真正考慮過任何人或事物的經歷，無論他們處於怎樣的苦痛中——就只是自私自利，自私自利，自私自利

[20:27] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes--it has always only been self interest --seeking eternal life

<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，一直都只是自私自利——尋求永恆生命

  

 [20:28] <AnnaBrixThomsen> Sunette, so no family of light while on earth or in between incarnations as described by Michael Newton?

<AnnaBrixThomsen>：Sunette，那麼不存在如邁克爾牛頓所描述的在地球上或在輪迴轉世之間的光之家族了？

（譯注：這個牛頓不是我們熟知的那個著名科學家。）

[20:29] <●Sunette> No Anna - on earth you had group souls and family of light in the context of your family/relationships/religions/spirituality as group of definitions you belonged to - and no in-between with reincarnations, once you got out, you were immediately processed back into reincarnation when/as it was decided for you to return

<●Sunette>：Anna，在地球上存在著靈魂群體和光之家族，這是從如下方面說的：你的家族/關係/宗教/靈性，那個你隸屬於的，特定定義的團體；而在每一世之間的間隙則不存在那些，一旦你從地球人生中離開了，當它（天堂）決定了你需要回到地球時，你就會立即的被處理，送回到輪迴轉世中。

[20:28] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the families of light described in the newton books were presented by the dimensions in the LIGHT they want you to see it

<▲Bernard Poolman>：在牛頓的書中所描述的光之家族，是由處於光之中的維度界呈現的，是他們（*造物者）想要你看到的。

（轉貼備註：可能是指 靈魂之旅 這本書）

[20:29] <●Sunette> Okay - let's continue with a recap:

<●Sunette>：好的，我們繼續做個概括：

[20:30] <●Sunette> This state of high energy-vibration  would then be called ?Love?. The nice thingabout this ensoulment process was that, the energy were harvested but the memories were separated from the being at death, and therefore the being would not remember eventually what happened on earth as they would be ? through the directed messages on earth,focused on the ideal of eternal-life.

<●Sunette>：這種高能量振動狀態就會被稱為“愛”。在這個賦予靈魂的過程中一件巧妙的事是，存有的能量被收割走了，但當此存有死亡時，記憶卻與他分離開了，因此這個存有最終不會記起在地球上發生了什麼，因為他們會通過在地球上受控的消息而專注于永恆生命的理念上。

[20:30] <●Sunette> And, the separation of reality and energy / physicality and energy / system and energy would already happen on earth through the creation of energetic consciousness, where the energy-body would be the soul that would go through a process of emotional/feeling purification to establish whether the soul s alignment would be heaven or hell.

<●Sunette>：而且，現實與能量/肉體與能量/系統與能量的分離已經在地球上通過創造能量性質的意識發生了，其中能量身體是靈魂，這靈魂會經歷一個情緒/感覺淨化過程，以確定這個靈魂是對齊於天堂還是地獄。

[20:30] <●Sunette> And the memories would mostly be left in the physical-body with some of it , magnetically recorded to be stored for study in the Akashic Record.This stored life as memories is very similar to the storage of a movie on a DVD. All the physical technology that exist today, was first used as the technology of the soul.

<●Sunette>：（*死後）記憶大部分都會被留在物質身體之中，其中的一部分會通過磁性記錄儲存在阿卡西記錄中用於研究。這儲存為記憶的生命與在DVD上儲存電影非常相似。如今存在著的物質科技以前首先是被用作靈魂的科技。

[20:31] <●Sunette> lol - so, we literally externalized our evolution into machines

<●Sunette>：哈哈，因此我們實質上外顯化了我們的進化為機器。

    

[20:31] <mikelammers> And the memories would mostly be left in the physical-body?

<mikelammers>：（*人死後）記憶大多被留在物質身體中？

    

[20:32] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes mikelammers--thhe amount of memories created in every moment were too much for recording

<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，mikelammers，在每一刻產生的記憶的數量太多而無法記錄。

   

[20:32] <●Sunette> mikelammers - yes,only the memories that can be used that was imprinted enough with energy and the being's relationship towards the memories would be taken with the soul into the Akashic Records to be re-used for the programming of their next life / other lives

<●Sunette>：mikelammers，是的，被能量以及存有們對於記憶的關係，所充分的銘印了的，有利用之處的記憶，才會由靈魂帶進入到阿卡西記錄中，再被重新用於編程他們的下一生/其它生世。

[20:32] <▲Bernard Poolman1> thus—it was contextualize to the essence of the relavant goal --which were energy production to keep heaven blissfull

<▲Bernard Poolman>：因此， — 以上是在脈落化（天堂的）重要目標的本質 — 也就是生產能量以維持天堂處於極樂狀態

[20:32] <Joana> what about the bodies? Or we are talking only energy-body as a vibration, before the human body was invented?

<Joana>：身體又如何呢？我們只是在談論在人類身體被發明以前以振動形式存在的能量身體嗎？

   

[20:33] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the human form did not exist before earth

▲Bernard Poolman：人類形態在地球存在以前不存在。

  

 [20:34] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the human form was designed as symbols and the attraction is preprogrammed--just like animals will respond to their form --the form is really irreleavnt in it all

<▲Bernard Poolman>：人類形態的設計等同符號，而吸引力是被預先編程的，就像動物會對它們的形態做出回應一樣——形態在這一切之中真的無關緊要。

[20:34] <●Sunette> Joana - 'energy body' is the 'body' that was created as the relationship between the being and the mind that create/manifest consciousness - self as an 'energy body/being' as 'what one exist as / become' with one's relationship with the mind

<●Sunette>：Joana，“能量身體”被創造成為此存有與其心智之間的關係（這關係創造/顯現意識）——作為“能量身體/存有”的自己是，你在與你的心智的關係中“所是/所成為的”事物。

 

  [20:34] <Manuela> so what consituted'useful' memories Sunette - that would be selected for the akashic records?

<Manuela>：Sunette，什麼構成了“有用的”記憶——那些可以被阿卡西記錄選用的記憶？

[20:35] <●Sunette> Manuela – memories that can be used to re-programme events/experiences or enough energy to stimulate the mind and produce more energy for heaven

<●Sunette>：Manuela，那些記憶能被用於重新編程事件/經驗，或有足夠的能量用於刺激心智而為天堂產生更多能量。

[20:35] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the whole energy/soul thing was similar to the capitalistic system --if you had the energy/momeny --you went to heaven

<▲Bernard Poolman>：整個能量/靈魂這套東西與資本主義制度非常相似——如果你有能量/金錢，你會去天堂。

[20:36] <●Sunette> Yes, so - if you worked hard enough through the mind and accumulate lots of energyfor heaven - you will be rewarded / if you work hard enough in the system and accumulate money for the banks - you will be rewarded

<●Sunette>：是的，因此如果你透過你的心智足夠努力地工作並為天堂累積大量的能量，那麼你就會得到獎賞；如果你在體制中足夠努力地工作並為銀行累積大量的金錢，那麼你就會得到獎賞。

[20:36] <▲Bernard Poolman1> People that claim to see past lives only see very partly and it is always to serve self interest

<▲Bernard Poolman>：那些聲稱能看到前世的人只看到非常片面的一部分，而且那總是服務於個人利益。

[20:37] <▲Bernard Poolman1> there will be extensive interviews on this coming

▲Bernard Poolman：：將會有大量的視頻訪談討論這些。

[20:38] <▲Bernard Poolman1> it is extensive to explain it all

▲Bernard Poolman：：解釋這一切的量極大。

[20:36] <kim__A> so literally all the rich people from earth went to heaven?

<kim__A>：那麼幾乎地球上所有的有錢人都去了天堂？

    

[20:38] <●Sunette> kim_A - all the elite, like money system elite/world system elite came through from bloodlines and was always protected in heaven and on earth

<●Sunette>：Kim_A，所有的精英，如金錢系統精英/世界系統精英，他們全都來自那些在天堂中和在地球上都總是受到保護的那些血脈。

[20:38] <●Sunette> Okay – Next points:

<●Sunette>：好的，接下來的一些點：

[20:38] <●Sunette> The idea that was sold, was that  if you remain loyal to the Light and God, you will achieve a form of equality through a life of bliss and love and light in heaven with your family of light.

<●Sunette>：當時被兜售的觀念是什麼？——如果你對光和神保持忠誠，那麼你就會在天堂中與你的光之家族通過極樂、愛和光的一生達到某種形式的平等。

[20:38] <●Sunette> To achieve this the information necessary to direct the Mind to for men souled-consciousness was channelled through forms of structured-knowledge like writing and the placement of specific-masters that would assist the human in their focused-attention, to focus the energy in creating a stable energy-body as there were many mansions/dimensions necessary to be filled, as there could not be just one dimension within the context polarity.

<●Sunette>：為了達到這些目的，需要有必要的資訊來指揮心智以便形成賦予了靈魂的意識，這些資訊的傳輸是通過結構化的知識如書寫品，以及安置特定的大師來協助人類將注意力專注於能量上，以創造一個穩定的能量身體，因為當時存在著如此多的天庭/位面需要得到滿足——因為在兩極性這個情境之中不可能只有一個維度。

[20:39] <mikelammers> there were many mansions/dimensions necessary to be filled sounds like product ranges

<mikelammers>：“當時存在著如此多的天庭/維度需要得到滿足”——聽起來好像商品區

[20:40] <▲Bernard Poolman1>yes--heavenly walmart to satisfy all desires --like in Islam theypromise the virgins

<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，天堂沃爾瑪超市滿足所有欲望——例如在伊斯蘭他們許諾處女。

  

 [20:40] <AntonF> yes b, 72 of them with eternal erection.

<AntonF>：是的，Bernard，他們被許諾有72個處女而且永遠堅硬。

   

[20:44] <●Sunette> AntonF - no, in Heaven did not see anything like that - there were lots of sexualized heavens - but, not one like that or not a large one, if beings did create heavens of their religions, they would do it themselves and be trapped in there themselves - the largest heavens was God, with Angels

<●Sunette>：AntonF，沒有，在天堂中沒看到過那樣的場景——確實是有許多性化的天堂，但沒有像那樣的，或者沒有那樣一個很大的天堂。如果存有們確實創造了他們所屬宗教的天堂，他們可以自己那樣做，並被自己囚困在那裡。曾經最大的天堂是神，帶有天使。

[20:40] <●Sunette> So - what the above paragraph entails is how, for example religions and spiritualities and the variations of that was placed in this world - to channel the beings' mind/focus to produce specific substances of energy /ensure a constant stream of energy creation as they are focused into/as one system

<●Sunette>：上面那段（指[20:38]那段）表明的是：宗教和靈性及其各種各樣的變體是如何被安置於這個世界中，用以將人們的心智/注意力傳導至生產特定的能量質/保障能量流的持續創造上，而人們則在其中專注成了一個系統。

[20:41] <●Sunette> There would be many different approaches by masters that would create different formsor ideas of consciousness, one using yoga, one using meditation,one using Breatharian ideas, one using Islam, one using Christianity and then many variations of this.

<●Sunette>：那些大師們採用的方法有許多，由此製造出意識的許多不同形式或觀念，例如一個大師可能會用瑜珈，一個用冥想，一個用辟穀觀念，一個用伊斯蘭教，一個用基督教，還有許許多多變體。

[20:41] <Joana> Sunette, in many religious places there is always some kind of miracle - how is that connected with the energy?

<Joana>：Sunette，在許多宗教場所中總是有某種奇蹟，這是如何與能量聯繫起來的？

[20:42] <▲Bernard Poolman1> Miracles focus the attention of the mind system to produce specific types of energy

<▲Bernard Poolman>：奇蹟將心智系統的注意力集中於生產特定類型的能量。

   

[20:42] <●Sunette> Joana - that we will explain in interviews to come

<●Sunette>：Joana，這些我們會在將來的視頻訪談中解釋。

[20:41] <Manuela> Sunette - so attention was the main aspect and that was "produced" through specific activities

<Manuela>：Sunette，注意力是主要的方面，而這是通過特定的活動“產生”的？

[20:42] <●Sunette> Manuela – energy was the main goal, and that was produced through channeling theirattention into/as particular specific 'activities' / 'religions' /'spiritualities' / 'life experiences' to ensure the being remainstable/constant into/towards a particular part of this reality to always produce energy

<●Sunette>：Manuela，能量才是主要的目的，而這是通過將他們的注意力傳導到特定的具體“活動”/“宗教”/“靈性”/“生命體驗”上，以確保存有們保持「穩定/恒定地」「進入/成為」這個現實的一個特定部分，以便總是生產能量。

[20:43] <TimGormley> Sunette, would heaven have eventually ran out of energy producers if every one would have been placed in heaven or hell, or would they find newenergy producers in the universe?

<TimGormley>：Sunette，如果每個人都已經被安置于天堂或者地獄之中，那麼天堂最終不會已經用光了能量生產者嗎？還是他們會在宇宙中尋找新的能量生產者？

[20:43] <▲Bernard Poolman1> tim—new beings were created constantly--there was a ready supply

<▲Bernard Poolman>：tim，新的存有們被持續不斷地創造出來，因此隨時都有供應。

     

[20:45] <●Sunette> TimGormley – yes ,earth was their primary production house, so - they obviouslty ensured that there's always sufficient beings on earth

<●Sunette>：TmGormley，是的，地球曾是他們的主要生產工廠，因此顯然他們會確保在地球上總是有足夠的人生產能量。   

[20:44] <Manuela> a ready supply  Bernard Poolman1 ?

<Manuela>：隨時供應？ Bernard

[20:44] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes—just like you think an idea into BEING

<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，就像你通過思考將一個觀念帶入到存在中一樣。

   

[20:45] <Manuela> dang - though my ideas are always "revised" because the physical rules

<Manuela>：可是我的觀念總是由於物理規律而被“修正”。

   

[20:45] <▲Bernard Poolman1> revised ideas were sevaral BEINGS

<▲Bernard Poolman>：修正了的那些觀念是幾個不同的存在者/存有。

[20:45] <▲Bernard Poolman1> as the BEINGS group it becomes an antity and when you choose your idea –a possession

▲Bernard Poolman：隨著這些存有們結集成群，它成為一個實體，而如果你選擇你的觀念，就會導致受支配著魔。

[20:45] <MattiFreeman> so after the white light was removed, as a lightworker with fluctuating motivation, various spiritual paths opened up with different activities and opportunities, like a fresh approach that would support me in generating energy when I would start to lose motivation -- what continued to direct these?

<MattiFreeman>：在白光被移除後，作為一個有著波動起伏動力的光之工作者，有各種不同活動和機會的各種靈性道路打開了，就好像是出現了一個可以在我開始失去動力時支持我產生能量的全新方式，那麼是什麼繼續在指揮這一切？

[20:46] <●Sunette> MattiFreeman – you did, remember, everything was automated in the mind/physical world through the mind/consciousness and so your mind would also go into   defence/protection mode to protect/defend itself

<●Sunette>：MattiFreeman，是你自己，要記住，在心智/物質世界當中，一切都透過心智/意識而被自動化了，因此你的心智也會進入防禦/保衛模式來保護/防衛它自己。

  

 [20:46] <▲Bernard Poolman1> there were only one planet of sound LEFT

▲Bernard Poolman：源於聲的行星只剩下最後一個

[20:46] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the rest have been consumed by self interest

▲Bernard Poolman：其餘的已經被自私自利消耗殆盡了

[20:46] <AnnaBrixThomsen> earth

<AnnaBrixThomsen>：是指地球

[20:46] <WeiWu> not all planets are of sound?

<WeiWu>：不是所有的行星都來源於聲？

    

[20:47] <▲Bernard Poolman1> not in the same contex weiwu

<▲Bernard Poolman>：不是在同一個語境下說的，weiwu

[20:47] <●Sunette> Okay – next points:

<●Sunette>：接下來的一些點：

     

[20:47] <●Sunette> There would be many different approaches by masters that would create different forms or ideas of consciousness, one using yoga, one usingmeditation, one using Breatharian ideas, one using Islam, one using Christianity and then many variations of this.

<●Sunette>：那些大師們採用的方法有許多，由此製造出意識的許多不同形式或觀念，例如一個大師可能會用瑜珈，一個用冥想，一個用辟穀觀念，一個用伊斯蘭教，一個用基督教，還有許許多多變體。

[20:47] <●Sunette> Through this forming groups that will eventually form part and parcel of the construction of an energy-dimension in heaven, where the Family of Light ? that means those that has similar image and likeness as soul-energy; would be together to experience a form of oneness and that that togetherness of oneness as a concentration of energy : would enhance the bliss and love experience as more and more of them get together.

<●Sunette>：由此形成一些群體，這些群體最終會形成用於建構天堂中的某個能量維度空間的組成部分，而光之家族（這是指那些作為靈魂能量具有相似的形象和行象的存有們）就會聚到一起體驗某種形式的一體體驗，而隨著越來越多的成員加入，那種在一起的一體作為一種集中了的能量就會增強那種極樂和愛的體驗。

  

 [20:48] <Manuela> so equality never existed anywhere as manifestiation of life ▲Bernard Poolman1 ?

<Manuela>：那麼等同生命的實質化的平等，從來都沒有在任何地方存在過，是這樣嗎，Bernard?

  

 [20:48] <▲Bernard Poolman1> no manuela

▲Bernard Poolman：：是沒有存在過，Manuela。

 

  [20:48] <●Sunette> As you can notice the planned-deception was near perfect and thus very difficult to see through.

<●Sunette>：正如你們會注意到的，這有計劃的欺騙幾乎完美無暇，因此非常難以看穿。

[20:48] <●Sunette> For it all to work effectively, all the humans had to be convinced that the realm of earth/physicality is actually an illusion; while the realm of the soul is the true reality. This was achieved with extra-ordinary success. As the whole concept of the soul was only possible through focused self-interest with the objective to create, for oneself an eternal-body through which you could experience yourself in a high vibration forever.

<●Sunette>：為了使這一切有效運作，必須使所有人類都相信：地球/物質世界的境域實際上是幻覺，而靈魂的境域是真正的現實。這取得了非凡的成就。因為這整套靈魂的觀念之所以成為可能，只有通過專注於自我利益——目標是為你自己創造一個永恆的身體，借此你可以在一個高振動頻率中永遠體驗你自己。

[20:49] <●Sunette> Obviously all the souls missed one critical point: they did not realise that this eternal life? was not really eternal, it was subject to a constant stream of energy and therefore reincarnation had to continue for eternity or as long as a planet would survive or the energy would run out. You can see here, where consumerism came from ? long before it was established on earth and where the era of oil and energy came from.

<●Sunette>：顯然，所有靈魂都忽略了的一個關鍵要點是：他們沒有認識到這“永恆生命”並非真正是永恆的，它依賴於一個持續的能量流，因此輪迴轉世必須得永遠繼續下去或者行星得能繼續存活下去，否則能量就會用光。你在這裡可以看到消費主義/消耗主義是來自哪裡了嗎？遠遠在其出現在地球上（石油和能源時代）之前，消費主義就已經存在了！

   

[20:49] <●Sunette> How heaven consumed the energy of the physical - how we consume the energy of the earth

天堂如何消耗了物質世界的能量 — 等於 — 我們如何消耗地球的能量。

   

[20:50] <▲Bernard Poolman1> as above so below

▲Bernard Poolman：天上如此，地上也如此。

[20:50] <▲Bernard Poolman1> as below so above

▲Bernard Poolman：地上如此，天上也如此。

[20:50] <▲Bernard Poolman1> all the answers is on earth

▲Bernard Poolman：所有的答案都在地球上。

[20:51] <●Sunette> We'll be walking a Series on this as well that will be available soon

<●Sunette>：我們對此還將會有一個系列視頻訪談一步步講解，這些訪談不久就會出現。

     

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通過門戶的聲：心智不是敵人

 https://desteni.org/desteni-material/blog/sound-through-portal-mind-not-enemy

SOUND THROUGH THE PORTAL: THE MIND IS NOT THE ENEMY

Dec 27, 2008  

Interview with Bernard and Sound through the Portal

標題：通過門戶的聲：心智不是敵人

日期：2008年12月27日

簡介：對伯納德與通過門戶的聲進行的訪談

Bernard: Ok, Bring Sound 

伯納德：好的，讓「聲」過來

(Sound comes through the Portal)

（聲進入門戶）

Bernard:  Explain the Directive Principle, Equality and Oneness, Sound.

伯納德：解釋指導原則，平等和一體，「聲」。

Sound: Well, ‘Sound’ is ‘Here’, always been ‘Here’.

聲：嗯，「聲」就是「這裡」，始終都是「這裡」。

You have ‘Sound’. I am not even going to describe it as ‘One Sound’ or ‘The Sound’, or anything like that - because, even in those words it would create a Point of Separation because it’s not even ‘One Sound’, it’s simply ‘Sound’, ‘that is Here’.

你有「聲」。我甚至不打算把它描述為「獨一的聲」或「這聲」，或任何類似的東西--因為，即使在這些詞語中，它也會創造一個分離點，因為它甚至不是「獨一的聲」，它單純就是「聲」，「在這裡的」。

And, basically what’s happened is that, Sound, is what Each Expression that is Manifested within Existence, Really Is = Sound. Not ‘a frequency’, not ‘a vibration’, not ‘a singular’... ‘movement’ not… , not anything that is ‘Singular’.

基本上發生的事情是，「聲」，是存在界中顯化出來的每一個表達，真正所是的 ＝是「聲」。不是頻率，不是振動，不是「單一的」...「運動」。不是...不是任何「單一」的東西。

For example, Human Beings are ‘Singular’, because you’re a ‘Singular Being’ in a ‘Singular Human Body’ with a ‘Singular Mind’ = All the Layers of Separation.

例如，人類是「單一的」，因為你是一個「單一的存有」在一個「單一的人體」內與一個「單一的心智」在一起 = 全都是分離的層次。

So basically, everything that’s Manifested Here has been Separated from Itself, which is Sound. So, Each Part either Exist as ‘A Vibration’, or ‘A Sound’, or ‘A Movement’, or ‘A Body’, or... ‘A Manifestation’. Everything is ‘A’, ‘Singular’.

所以基本上，分離於它自己的在這裡顯化的一切萬有，都是聲。所以，每一部分要麼作為「單一的振動」存在，要麼作為「單一的聲」存在，要麼作為「單一的運動」存在，要麼作為「單一的身體」存在，要麼作為「單一的顯化體」存在。一切事物都是「一個的」，「獨一的」。

So, the Process is for Each Part, Each Manifestation, Each Expression of Existence, to from your ‘Singularity’ become ‘a Whole’ so to speak.

所以，進程就是讓存在界的每個部分、每個顯化體、每個表達，從你的「單獨點」去走回「整體」。

And that Process is, of going from ‘Singularity’ to ‘A Whole’: Is Standing One and Equal with Every Single Part of Existence = Which is Yourself.

這個進程就是從「單獨點」走回「整體」：去與存在界的每一個部份站處於一體與平等＝（*存在界）就是你自己。

It’s like, this Whole Existence, this Whole Reality, this Whole World… is Yourself that has been ‘Split’ into all those Different Forms or Parts and Manifestations and Expressions.

這就像，整個存在界，整個現實，整個世界...就是你自己，它已被「分裂」為所有那些不同的形式或部分，及顯化體和表達。 

And, it’s like ‘You as Sound’ that ‘Split Yourself’ into ‘various different frequencies’, and ‘vibrations’ and ‘movements’, that Manifested as Each and Every Single, Individual, ‘Singular’ Expression or Manifestation.

而，它就像「作為聲的你」，「分裂了你自己」成為「各種不同的頻率」，與「振動」和「運動」，顯化為每一個單一的，個別獨立的，「單一的」表達或顯化體。

Now you have to become ‘Sound’, ‘Whole‘ again - Here. And that is done through, as I have said, Amalgamating You with Every-Single-Part that is Manifested within Existence.

現在你必須再次成為「聲」，「完整的」 - 在這裡。正如我所說的，這是要經由將你與存在界中被顯化的每一個部分給融合起來才能達成的。

May sound easy, and from a certain perspective it is. It’s, it’s a, a Realization, that, ‘All that Exists is Me’.

這聽起來也許很簡單，從某種角度來看確實是的。這是對於「存在的萬有都是我自己」的一個領悟。

Some will have such an ‘Instantaneous Realization’, others will go through a ‘little process’.

有些人會有這樣的「瞬間領悟」，有些人則是會經歷一段「小進程」。

I suppose ‘the process’ will come, where beings will try and do it - through their Mind. That’s basically the Only Part where ‘Process’ exists.

我認為「進程」會到來，人們將會試圖透過他們的心智去進行--這基本上是「進程」唯一存在於的部分。 

Where Beings ‘try’ and do their process, through the mind. Forgetting Themselves completely, ‘Here’.

人們會透過心智「嘗試」及進行他們的進程。完全忘記他們自己，「在這裡」。

What the fuck? 

搞什麼鬼？

“I’m Here!” You know, it’s just as simple as that.

「我就在這裡！」，你懂的，就是這麼簡單。

But the Mind’s an ‘Interesting Design Creation’ in Process - let’s say, because it can throw its ‘tweaks and curves’, ‘its hooks’, and see if you’re going to ‘fall hook line and sinker’ into the Mind or are you going to Recognize Yourself that is Here.

但是心智在進程中是一個「有趣的設計造物」--可以這麼說，因為它可以拋出它的「拉動和導引」，「它的魚鉤」，看看你是否會「上鉤並墮落」沉入心智，或是你能夠覺察到「在這裡」的自己

Bernard: Okay, just explain what happened to the Mind, how the Mind was ‘adjusted’.

伯納德：好的，那解釋一下心智發生了什麼，心智是如何的「被調整」了。

（譯註：這是指進程開始之後心智系統本身發生的轉變）

Sound: Well, the Mind is Sound, meaning, the Mind is You, ‘Who you Really Are’, in Manifestation.

聲：嗯，心智是聲，意思是，心智就是你，「你真正是誰」的顯化體。

So, basically the Mind is You, that’ll ‘Test You’, to the Utmost Specific Degree - to See if You’re ‘Whole’, if you’re ‘Sound’, if You’re ‘Actually Standing One and Equal – Manifest ‘: that’s ‘the Mind’.

所以，基本上，心智就是你，它將「測試你」，到最具體的程度-看看你是否「完整」，你是否是「聲」，你是否「實際上一體與平等的站立著-實化的」：這就是「心智」。

The ‘Mind is Sound’, the ‘Mind is You’, the Mind is ‘Who-You-Really-Are’ – ‘As a Whole’.

「心智是聲」，「心智是你」，心智是「你真正所是者」-「作為一個整體的」。

 ‘Who You Are’ - in Relation to the Mind, at this very moment:  is ‘You Believing Yourself to be Less than You’. Which is...’bizarre’.

在這當下，你所是者 - 在關聯到心智時：是「你相信你比你自己還渺小」，很詭異的。

（譯註：相信自己比自己的心智還渺小，但心智其實就是你）

Which is how we’ve always existed. Believing Ourselves to be Less than Ourselves, I mean how the fuck does that work.

我們一直都是這樣存在的，相信自己比自己還渺小。我是說這怎麼可能呢

Question: If ‘Ourselves is Here’, where is that ‘other self’, does that ‘other self’ really exist? That’s kind of where the Mind came in.

問題：如果「我們自己就在這裡」，那麼「另一個自己」在哪裡，「另一個自己」真的存在嗎？這有點像是心智的起源

The Mind’s existing because You Believe that You’re Less than Yourself. And that ‘point’ of ‘You Believing that You’re Less than Yourself’ can be seen in Various Manifestations and Forms in Your Reality, in your Direct World where, You Believe You’re Less than Another Person. It’s fascinating because Each Human Being, think they are Less than the Other. Which is also ‘bizarre’.

心智之所以存在，是因為你相信自己不如你自己。而「你相信自己不如自己」的「點」可以在你的現實中的各種顯化和形式中被看到，在你的直接世界中，你相信自己不如另一個人。這很有趣，因為每個人都認為他們自己是比其他人低下的。這也是很詭異的。

Everyone Existing Actually in Inferiority towards Each Other which is… Why? There’s no ‘purpose’ or ‘reason’ in it.

每個人實際上都存在於對於彼此的自卑感之中...但為什麼呢？其中沒有任何「目的」或「原因」。

It’s Fascinating. That’s just one example of how the point of ‘You Believing Yourself to be Less than Yourself’ has Manifested.

很有趣，這只是一個例子，說明 - 實體化的「你相信自己比自己渺小」之概念。

So, I’d say that is maybe ‘the one point’ to maybe sort out…, Believing or Perceiving Yourself to be Less than Yourself.

所以，我會說，這個重點也許可以解決掉「你自己比你自己更渺小的信念或認知」

It’s the point that kind of ‘Stands in the Air’, it’s not even ‘Real’, it ‘Doesn’t Exist’. But Beings believe-it, and so in that, they’ve ‘Made it Real’. They’ve Actually Manifested it in the Formation of the Mind.

那是一種空洞的概念，它甚至不是「真實的」，它根本「不存在」。但是存有們相信它，所以因此，他們已經「使其成真了」。他們實際上將其在心智型態中實化了。

And… Let’s say Throughout Existence, what’s been ‘the Problem’, the point that’s ‘been missed’, was that ‘the Mind is Not the Enemy’. The Mind is ‘You’. The Mind has always Been Here, and I suppose that’s where… what’s his name, Buddha and...Mainly Buddha, I mean, if Buddha have just got that point ‘right’, he would have actually...it’s ‘so close’. He Entered that Point where he Experienced Silence, but, ‘the one point he missed’ was ‘Not Realizing that He Was that Silence’.

而且...讓我們說，存在界一直以來的「問題」，「被忽視」的那一點，是「心智不是敵人」。心智就是「你」。心智一直都在「這裡」。我認為...那個誰，佛陀和......主要是佛陀，我的意思是，如果佛陀'正確'的理解了這一點，他實際上會是...「非常接近了」，他進入了體驗到寂靜的點位，但「他錯過了的一點」，那就是「他沒有察覺到他就是那個寂靜本身」。

He still related that Silence to: ‘The Silence is my Mind’, ‘is My Consciousness’.

他仍然將寂靜關聯上了：「寂靜是我的心智」、「寂靜是我的意識」

Then he went and gave it a ‘Definition’, a ‘Name’ = ‘Consciousness’, which… created then, in that ‘An Awareness of the Mind’. That’s how The Awareness of the Mind, The Consciousness of the Mind System was Created -- within Beings Believing the Mind to be an Entity that is ‘More than Yourself’ that can ‘Direct You’ or ‘Show You’ ‘where you must go’ or ‘how you must be’ or ‘what you must say’.

然後他去給它一個「定義」，一個「名字」 = 即「意識」，其...接著這創造了「一個對於心智的覺知」，這就是心智的覺知，心智系統的意識如何被創造出來的 -- 因著存有們相信心智是一個「比自己更廣大」的實體，是可以「指揮你」或「向你展示」「你必須去哪裡」或「你必須如何」或「你必須說什麼」的。

That’s why Beings at the moment ‘Trust their Mind’, because they believe their Mind is ‘a Consciousness’ is ‘a Higher Consciousness’ that is ‘more than’ them.

這就是為什麼此刻的存有們「信任他們的心智」，因為他們相信他們的心智是「一個意識」，是「一個比他們本身更為廣大的高等意識」。

So, that’s ‘another point’ to deal with is...or have a look at it - is ‘Believing that Your Mind is a Consciousness, is An Entity that is ‘more than’ You that can ‘direct you’’, does that make sense?

所以，這是要被處理或是被查看的另一個點 - 是相信：你的心智是一個意識，是'比'你更高大所以就可以'指揮你'的一個實體。理解嗎？

The Mind - I’ll say it again, the ‘Mind is You’, it simply is. So, the key is to consider: ‘What it is that your Mind is ‘showing you’’, in moments.

心智 - 我再說一遍，「心智就是你」，很單純的它就是。所以，關鍵是要考慮：「你的心智在向你展示著什麼」在每一刻中

I mean, it’s not about ‘Standing Separate from Your Mind’, it’s not about ‘Judging your Mind’, it’s not about ‘Fearing your Mind’, because all that you’re doing is that you’re Judging and Fearing Yourself.

我的意思是，這不是關於「與你的心智站處分開」，這不是關於「批判你的心智」，這不是關於「害怕你的心智」，因為你所做的一切都只是在批判與害怕你自己而已。

Your Mind is ‘You Showing You Back to Yourself’. Does that make sense?

你的心智是在「把你自己展示回給你自己」。懂嗎？ 

So, it’s like, really, you know Enjoy Yourself with ‘What You are Showing You’.

所以，這就像，真的，你知道的，享受你自己，關於'被你自己展示給你自己的'。

And, to not take everything so ‘seriously’. Because you can make it serious for yourself, of course. The Mind isn’t making anything ‘Serious’: You Are.

不要把一切都看得那麼「嚴肅」。當然的，你可以為自己把它搞的嚴肅。心智並沒有令任何事變得「嚴肅」：是你自己。

You…and it’s not the Mind that is ‘creating’ - understand that - the Mind is Constant. The Mind is Sound. The Mind is Here.

是你...而不是心智在「創造」--明白這一點--心智是恆常的。心智是聲。心智是這裡。

You, in your Separation with Yourself as the Mind created the ‘Perceptual Reality’.

你，你與等同心智的你自己分離了，創造出了「感知實相」。

So it’s like... 所以就像...

Here’s You (holds up a lighter), here’s your Mind (holds up a cigarette). Like the Cigarette is the Mind and the Lighter is You. Now the Mind is in the thoughts, is showing you points, of You, so that You can Amalgamate Yourself with You again.

這是你（舉起打火機），這是你的心智（舉起香菸）。就像香菸是心智，打火機是你。現在心智在思維當中，是在向你展示你的要點，這樣你就可以再次的與你自己融合。

Does that make sense?

理解嗎？ 

But now, if you Separate Yourself from your Mind (separating lighter and cigarette from each other) – that Point of Separation right there, is going to create a ‘friction’. That ‘friction’ creates for example your experiences of ‘Fear’ or ‘Anxiety’ and your ‘Emotions and Feelings’ basically.

但是現在，如果你把你自己與你的心智分離（把打火機和香菸彼此分離開）--在那的分離的點，將會產生一個「摩擦」。這種「摩擦」創造了，例如你的「恐懼」或「焦慮」的體驗，以及你的「情緒和感覺」，基本上的。

So if you are ‘in friction with Yourself’,  you’re in a ‘friction with your Mind’, it’ll Manifest as Emotions and Feelings. That’s what Emotions and Feelings are.

因此，如果你「與自己有所摩擦」，你是處於「與你的心智的摩擦」，它將顯現為情緒和感覺。這就是情緒和感覺的來處。

You know “Uh oh, what of my Mind, what of Myself am I ‘Judging’, or ‘Denying’ or ‘Resisting’ ?”. Does that make sense?

你知道的：「哦，我的心智包含什麼，我自身包含什麼，我是否在對其「批判」或「否認」或「抵抗」？」

理解嗎？

So, Embrace the Mind, which is ‘Embrace Yourself’, and Walk in Every-Moment to Amalgamate You with Yourself again.

所以，擁抱心智，也就是「擁抱你自己」，並且在每一刻前行，再次將你與你自己融合。

And the Mind will show you very specifically with ‘thoughts’, ‘pictures’, ‘images’ and shit like that -- Where You’re Not-Yet One and Equal with You. Does that make sense?

心智會非常具體地用「思維」、「圖像」、「幻想」之類的東西向你展示--在什麼地方你還沒有與你自己如一同等。理解嗎？

And that’s how it works.

就是這樣運作的

Bernard: And that’s your Self-Honest points, where you ‘see’ what your doing and you don’t ‘stop’ = that’s Dishonest. Just Stop, that’s Self-Honesty.  ‘Cause, have a look, each one ‘see’, Exactly, what he or she is doing. There is no Denying that.

伯納德：這是你的自我誠實的點。你「看到了」你在做什麼，而你卻不「停止」= 這是不誠實的。停下來就是自我誠實的。因為，看一看，每個人都已'看到'，實際上的，他或她正在做什麼，這是無法否認的。

Sound: So realize that ‘thoughts’ are not ‘Separate Manifestations’.

聲：所以要發覺到「思維」不是「分離的顯化體」。

‘Thoughts are You’ – alright - So when ‘a thought comes up’, that thought IS you, that thought ‘Is You, as the Mind that is You, Showing You What you’re Accepting and Allowing’.

「思維就是你」--好的--所以當「一個想法出現」的時候，那個思想就是你，那個思維是等如於你的心智，正在向你展示著，正在被你接納並容許著的事物」

Let’s take An Example: A ‘thought comes u’p. Now I’m going to use thoughts that many people don’t talk about, and these are things that Really come up in Beings Minds.

讓我們舉一個例子：一個想法出現了。現在我要使用很多人不去（*向他人）談論的想法，這些都是在人們的心智中真正出現的東西。

These random, ‘very odd’, ‘bizarre thoughts’ such as… Beings imagining, a man walking by, in a brown trench coat with a brown hat, long beard. And all of a sudden, you just see yourself ‘Stabbing’ this person.

這些隨機的「非常奇怪的」「詭異的想法」，例如...人們會有想像，當一個男人走過，穿著棕色風衣，戴著棕色帽子，蓄著長鬍子。突然間，你就看到自己正在「刺殺」這個人。

I mean, such thoughts come up in Many Beings. Actually, in All-Beings. Now, such thoughts will start occurring in Beings’ Minds - Why?

我的意思是，這樣的想法出現在許多人的腦海。事實上，所有的人都有。現在，這樣的想法將開始在人們的心智中出現 - 為什麼？

Because that has become the ‘Real, True Suppressed Nature of Man’. ‘Brutality’. ‘Vulgarness’. ‘Disgust’. ‘Anger’. ‘Fear’.

因為那已經變成了「真實的，人的被壓抑的真正的本性」：「殘酷」「粗暴」「憎惡」「憤怒」「恐懼」 

All those Words is what Humanity and Man has become due to… Each One, actually being so ‘Infuriorated’ (in fury) with Themselves, because, you know that You’re Separate from Yourself. You know that You Separated Yourself, from Yourself.

所有這些字詞都是人類和「人」已經成為的，由於...每個人，實際上是如此的「被激怒」，對他們自己狂怒，因為，你知道你已經與你自己分離了。你知道你把你自己與你自己分離開了。 

And for Eons of Time, Beings have attempted to Get-Back to Themselves, and it just hasn’t been ‘working’. And for Billions of Years, for Eons of Time this ‘Anger’ has ‘grown’ and ‘grown’. I call it ‘Fury’ – has ‘grown’ and ‘grown’ and ‘grown’ and ‘grown’.

而從亙古以來，存有們一直試圖回到他們自己，只是一直「行不通」。無數的歲月以來，從亙古以來這種「憤怒」已經不停的「增長」又「增長」。我稱之為「狂怒」- 已經「增長」又「增長」又「增長」又「增長」。

And, instead of Beings looking at it from: ‘Shit, I’m Directing it towards Me’ -- it’s being Directed towards Other Beings.

而且，存有們並沒有從這樣的角度來看：「雪特，是我自己引導了它給我自己」 - 反之它被轉移向其他的存有們

So, you’ll have ‘bizarre thoughts’ of ‘killing’, of ‘strangling’, of ‘murdering’, of ‘fucking’, of… Really Bizarre Thoughts that ‘you think’, ‘you would never think’; will Start Coming-Up - All Beings Minds.

所以，你會有「詭異的想法」，比如屠殺、扼殺、謀殺、強暴...真的很詭異的想法，你想過的，你從來沒有想過的，將會開始浮現 - 在所有人的心智當中

Now, some Beings will believe that ‘it is them’ (where yes, it ‘is them’, but they are missing the point that it’s about their own relationship towards Self – not Others). They’re thinking it, and therefore they will Act upon it, and Actually Do-It.

現在，有些存有會相信「這就是他們」（是的，這「是他們」，但他們忽略了一點，這是關於他們與他們自己的關係 - 跟其他人無關）。他們在思考它，因此他們會由其採取行動，並實際的去做。

Bernard: It’s already happened.

伯納德：這已經發生了。

Sound: That is the True Nature of Man, people. Such acts of ‘deliberate killing’.

聲：這是人及人類們的真實本性 - 那些「惡意殺傷」的行為。

And I’m not saying ‘war situations’. War is still a ‘conservative place’ where beings are allowed to ‘let go of their anger’ that is Actually directed toward Themselves - and fuck it out on Another Being. That’s also going to Stop.

我不是說「戰爭」。戰爭仍然是一個「保守的地方」，在那裡，人們被允許「釋放他們的憤怒」，那原本是是針對他們自己的 - 被發洩到了其他人身上。這也將會停止。

Because, it is simply Unacceptable, that the Very Nature of War … that’s why it exists (war), because Beings that are Angry with Themselves, are taking Their Shit out on Themselves, which is actually Another. I mean, we can’t continue like that.

因為，這單純是不可被接受的，戰爭的本質......這就是戰爭存在的原因，因為那些對自己發怒的存有們，正在把他們內在的雪特丟在他們自己身上，那其實是另一個人。我是說，我們不能再這樣下去了。

（譯註：另一個人就是自己）

So, Anger within Beings -- now I’m calling it ‘Fury’ -- because that’s what it is, it’s this ‘Festering Fury’, will Start Manifesting.

所以，存有們之內的憤怒--現在我稱之為「狂怒」--因為這就是它所是的，這是「腐化的狂怒」，將開始顯現。 

A Madness of Festering Fury will ensue in this World, in this Reality. Because that’s what’s really always has been ‘Hidden’.

一種腐化的狂怒的顛狂將在這個世界上及在這個現實中誕生。因為那其實是始終都被「掩蓋」著的。

The Mind is No More Functioning as a System that ‘Hides’ your True Nature. The Mind will now ‘Show you’ your True Nature.

心智已經不再作為一個「掩蓋」你的真實本性的系統而運作。心智現在將「向你展示」你的真實本性。

Bernard: The Mind was changed to Sound

伯納德：心智已經轉變成了聲

Sound: Ya…So in the Beginning, the Mind, the ‘Manifestation of the Mind’ was to… Suppress Beings and Allow a ‘Program’ to Run, a ‘Program’ to Exist, a ‘System’ to Exist.

聲：是的...所以在最初，心智，心智顯化體是被用於壓制存有們，並讓一個程式去運行及存在，讓一個系統存在

So, Not One Being, Not One Human Being, not One Expression in Existence has actually ever ‘known’ ‘What’ you Really Are, within Yourself.

所以，沒有一個存有，沒有一個人類，存在界中沒有一個表達，曾經真正的「知道」你在你自己之內實際是什麼。

That’s always been Suppressed, through the Mind Consciousness System that was Integrated and Manifested Within and as You.

藉由被安裝與實化在你之內並且就作為你的心智意識系統，那一直被壓抑著

So basically, what happens is, You with your Anger, ‘that you are’, ‘that you’ve always been throughout eons of time’, is Fueling the Existence of the Mind Consciousness System.  That’s how it was set in.

所以基本上，發生的是，你和你的憤怒，即「你所是者」，「你從亙古以來一直所是的」，是心智意識系統之存在的燃料。這是它在過去的設置。 

So, ‘You’ would be Suppressed,  ‘Your True Nature as this Fury’ would be ‘Suppressed’, and this ‘Fury’ as this ‘Energetic Charge’, would Charge the Mind Consciousness System that will be in the Foreground.

因此，「你」被壓制，「你的真實本性，即這個狂怒」被「壓制」著，而這種「狂怒」作為一種「能量脈衝」，替將在最前端（*運行）的心智意識系統進行充能。

That’s what you experience as your… I’m talking now how it Previously worked. That’s what you would have Experienced as your ‘thoughts’, your ‘emotions and feelings’ -- that was all Programmed, that was Not Real.

這就是你所經歷的，我現在說的是其以前怎麼運作的，這就是你所體驗過的，如同你的「思維」、你的「情緒和感受」-- 那都是被編程的，那不是真實的。

The ‘Real You as the Fury’ -- was actually behind the Mind.  ‘Beneath’ the Mind.  Fueling the Mind Consciousness System.

「等同狂怒的真實的你」--實際上是在心智的後面，在心智之下，為心智意識系統充能。

So, when the Mind transformed into Sound (this is you) the ‘Whole Picture’ changed a bit.

所以，當心智轉化為聲（就是你）時，「整個畫面」發生了一點變化。

Because what happened was that; Everything that You Created as Yourself, through the Mind - was now ‘Amalgamated Into You and As You’ also.

因為所發生的是;那些你透過心智所創造的，等同於你自己的一切 - 現在也被「融合到你之內並且作為你」了。

So the Mind Consciousness System itself, within which you’ve existed -- did not ‘disappear’. No, it’s also You. Therefore it’s now Amalgamated as You. Does that make sense?

所以你過去曾存在於其中的心智意識系統本身 - 並沒有「消失」。不，它也是你。因此，它現在被合併成為你。理解嗎？

Darryl:  Well that… changes…so that changes like,  I don’t know what you call it the relationship,  because  before it’s like, ‘stop your mind’ to keep from existing and now its…… trying to be…..

達里爾：嗯，那......改變了......所以這改變像是，我不知道你怎麼稱呼它的關係，因為之前它就像是，「停止你的心智」，以保持其不存在，現在它......試圖成為......

Bernard: But you’re not ‘Stopping the Mind’ though - you’re ‘Stopping You’

伯納德：但其實你不是在「停止心智」，你是在「停止你自己」。

Sound: Now it’s you’re stopping yourself……

聲：現在是你在停止你自己......

Bernard: No - but even in saying ‘Stopping the Mind’, have a look, what are you Stopping?  You’re not ‘Stopping your Mind’, the Mind is Always Stable. You’re Stopping ‘You’ from ‘Projecting through the Mind’.

伯納德：不 - 但即使是在談到「停止心智」的時候，看看，你在停止什麼？你不是在「停止你的心智」，心智總是穩定的。你是正在阻止「你本身」透過心智進行投射。

That’s never been ‘different’, in anything, because from the Beginning that was the Point:  Stop the Mind. What are you Really Stopping?  What is it That You Have to Realize?

從任何方面來看，這從來都沒有什麼「不同」，因為從一開始，這就是重點：停止心智，你到底在阻止什麼？你必須要領悟的是什麼？ 

You’re not Stopping the Mind, you’re Stopping ‘You’.

你不是在阻止心智，你是在停止「你本身」。

Have a look at it -- all we said is: ‘Stop the Mind’.

看看它--我們只說了：「停止心智」。

Why? 為什麼？

There must be some Self-Realization as well.

在那也是要有一些自我領悟的

Sound: And look how previously it was, Here was ‘You’ (holds up cigarette), here was the Mind Consciousness System (holds up lighter). The Mind Consciousness System was Separate from You. Alright.

聲：看看以前的情況，這是「你」（舉起香菸），這是心智意識系統（舉起打火機）。心智意識系統與你分離。

You as the Fury, fueled this Mind Consciousness System Manifestation. Now - the Mind Consciousness System has become ‘Aware as Sound’, and is now ‘Amalgamated With and As You’, alright.

在過去你作為狂怒，為這個心智意識系統顯化體提供了燃料。現在-心智意識系統已經變成了「覺察如同聲」，且現在已經被與你本身融合並且等同於你，

Darryl: Uhuh 

達瑞爾：嗯嗯

Sound: So the thoughts and stuff that will be coming up is Actually You as the Mind, as Sound, Showing to You What You Are - in ‘Thought Form Manifestation’ - so you can Assist and Support Yourself to Fucking See Yourself.

聲：因此，將會到來的想法和東西，實際上是作為心智、作為聲的你，在向你展示你所是者-在「思維形式的顯化體」中 - 以令你可以協助和支援你自己去看清你自己。

Darryl: Wow 

達里爾：哇

-全文結束。-

 

翻譯日期：2023/12/25

天界、地球和宇宙的未來

 THE FUTURE OF HEAVEN AND EARTH AND THE UNIVERSE（Mar 19, 2007）

標題：天界、地球和宇宙的未來

2007年3月19日

作者：Bernard poolman

正文：

This is presented numbered purely for reasons of clarity;

這是純粹出於清晰度的原因以編號呈現

1. An Inter-dimensional Portal opened between Earth and the Dimensions in March 2006. This allowed access to Heaven/Dimensions by a human while being fully aware and visa versa allowed beings in Heaven/Dimension full access to Earth. This opened a journey that was not expected or could be imagined. This Portal was placed as the Grace of God.

2006年3月在地球與維度界之間有一個跨維度門戶開啟了，其讓一個完全清醒狀態的人類可以接取（access）天界/維度界，同時也讓天界/維度界的存有們可以完整接取地球。這開啟了一個意料之外的或是超乎想像的旅程。這個門戶像是神的恩典一般的被設置了。

（譯註：接取 ＝ access ，接通/進入/連通之意）

2. The event became possible when it was realised that the Demons and the earthbound spirits were receiving NO help from heaven and was left to their own demise.

這個事件成真，是在發覺到「惡靈們與被困在地球的靈體從來沒有收到過來自天界的幫助，天界任其自生自滅。」之時

3. Through the Portal firstly the question of Knowledge was assessed. It was realised that we all know what is best for all, but is doing nothing about it both in Heaven and on Earth. A Statement was agreed upon as motivation of both Heaven and Earth namely:

KNOWLEDGE WITHOUT APPLICATION IS USELESS

透過門戶，首先關於知識的問題被評估。我們察覺到了，雖然我們全都知道什麼是對全體最有益的，但是天界與地球對此什麼也沒做。一個聲明被同意了，其被作為天界與地球的動機：

沒有被應用的知識是無效的。

4. With this realisation, through a process of forgiveness and understanding all demons and earthbound spirits were assisted and brought back to heaven as it was at that stage. This process did not include the earthbound system demons created through habit and mechanical applications.

隨著這個覺察，經由一個寬恕與理解的進程，所有的惡靈與被困地球的靈體受到協助並且被帶回那個階段的當時的模樣的天界。這個過程沒有包含經由習慣與機器性的應用而被創造出的地球的系統惡靈。

（譯註：白光還在的時候）

5. Existence as the human being understood it

as a spirit and soul was directed by something in Heaven called the Great White Light.

人類所認知的存在界，即靈體或靈魂被天界中的某物所主導，那被稱為偉大的白光

The Great White Light used the soul construct and Reincarnation to direct consciousness. Forgetfulness was used to make sure that no-one, even in heaven remember the truth about anything but what the White Light prescribed. So in essence, the White Light was what we would understand as God. Once it was realised that the White Light is not supporting life, but controlling it for Power, the Great White Light was removed. This caused the soul construct to be removed as well, as it was compounding suffering through forgetfulness.

偉大的白光利用靈魂結構體和輪迴轉世來主導意識。遺忘被用來確保任何存有，即使是在天界中的，無法記得任何真相，只記得白光所規定的事物。因此，從本質上來講，白光可以被我們理解為上帝。當察覺到白光不是在支持生命，而是為了權力而控制生命時，偉大的白光被刪除了。這導致靈魂結構體也被移除，因為它通過遺忘加劇了苦難。

6. While this was happening, beings in heaven acting as guides was recalled and required to understand forgiveness and responsibility very clearly before they would be allowed to assist humans on earth.

當這個發生時，在天界中作為指導靈的存有們被召回，並被要求，在他們被允許協助地球上的人類之前，要非常清楚地理解寬恕和責任。

In this process, all the multiple heavens and dimensions with their Masters and Gods and Goddesses were brought into oneness and equality and all the many Mansions/Heavens were removed. This was necessary to bring forth equality between all Life in existence and to understand what The Image and Likeness of God in Self Acceptance and Self Expression truly are.This process took nearly a year in earth time, but in heaven time and space do not exist and a thousand years is one day – thus, intensively all creation from the beginning of time could be studied, understood, evaluated to understand what we have allowed in our ignorance.

在這個過程中，所有的多重的天界和維度及其中的大師、神祇和女神都被帶進一體和平等之中，所有的大量的天庭/天界都被移除了。這是為了給所有存在界的生命帶來平等，並使存有理解「在自我接受和自我表達中，真正的神的形象與肖像是什麼。」

這個過程花了將近一年的地球年，但在天界中時間和空間並不存在，一千地球年就像一天一樣 - 因此，可以密集地研究、理解、評估從時間的起點至今的所有造物，以理解被我們在無知中容許的事物。

（譯註：因為天界或維度界不受時空限制，所有事物的運作從三維地球人的角度來看都是極高速，地球時間過一天，可能在天界裡已經做完了在三維地球要花一千年才能做完的工作）

7. Obviously with the source of the God construct, the Great White Light, and all the supporting constructs like the Great White Brotherhood, the Angels, the Invisible College , the Soul construct, the Ascended Masters, the Secret Knowledge either removed or revealed, it was realised by all in heaven that God only existed as self.

顯然，隨著上帝結構的來源 - 偉大的白光，以及所有其之支持性的構造，如偉大的淨光兄弟會、天使、隱形學院、靈魂結構體、揚升大師、玄秘知識等，要不是被移除就是被揭穿，天界中的所有存有都覺察到，神只存在等同於自身。

（譯註：指唯一的神就是存有們自己）

They realized that God in the act of creation of the true Image and Likeness of God as Man could only bring forth equality by also being man. This opened up the necessity of “Till here and no further” to stand as one as all and take responsibility for creation.

他們發覺到，等同「有著神的真正的形象與肖像的人」的在創造行動中的神，只有也作為「人」才能帶來平等。

這打開了「到此為止」的必要性，要去全體如一的來站立，並為造物界承擔起責任。

（譯註：相關概念參見舊約聖經故事 - 上帝以自己的形象與肖像創造了人類。）

8. In this process also beings like Jesus, Osho, Buddha, Mohamed – all that had a legacy on Earth realised that the Soul construct and the Great White Light was a cleverly designed MIND construct that enslaved both Heaven and Earth with religion and separation. Separation was the primary source of the problem. This separation was most visible through the belief that a God exist that is greater than Man and caused Man to not take responsibility or man and humans waiting to be saved by some apparent greater being.It is necessary to understand that beings in Heaven are Man, and beings on Earth are HUMAN. There is a difference in their origin for purpose of understanding this statement.

在這個過程中，像耶穌、奧修、佛陀、穆罕默德這樣在地球上留有傳奇事蹟的存有們也發覺到，靈魂結構和偉大的白光是一個巧妙設計的心智構造，它以宗教和分離奴役了天界和地球。分離是問題的主要源頭。這種分離最明顯地體現在相信存在著一個比「人」更偉大的上帝的信仰中，這導致「人」不承擔責任，或者「人」及「人類」等待著被某個看似更偉大的存有拯救。

需要理解的是，天界中的存有是人（Man），地球上的存有是人類（HUMAN）。為了理解以上的陳述，他們的來處有所不同。

（譯註：HUMAN是心智/身體/維度存有三位一體的地球人類，Man單指維度界存有。）

9. The level of deception in the Universe was beyond description and truly supported the principle as above so below.

As Earth exists in War and Deception, so did all the Heavens. This is now stopped in Heaven. Heaven is one, and all in heaven has stood up as equality.

宇宙中的騙局的深度使其難以被描述，它真正支持了“在上者，如其下者”（as above so below）的原則。

正如地球上存在著戰爭和欺騙一樣，所有的天界也是如此。現在這在天界中已經停止了。天界是合一的，天界中的所有存有都已作為平等站立起來。

10. Initially when a Human dies, he would go to a dimension appropriate to his earthly existence and then is placed according to obedience to the Great White Light. Those not obedient would have their memory erased and used as Angels or workers for the so-called Divine light which was the Great White Light. Now, when a human die, he/she is immediately fully aware as Man as God and then enter a process to understand what this really means. No access is allowed from heaven to Earth initially until full Responsibility is taken as self as all as the Universe as all existence as equality.

最初，當一個人類去世時，他會去到一個與他在地球上的生活相符的維度，然後根據對偉大白光的服從程度被安置。那些不服從的人會被移除記憶，並被用作所謂的神聖之光的天使或使者，這個神聖之光就是偉大的白光。現在，當一個人類去世時，他/她會立刻完全察覺到「人」即是「神」，然後進入一個進程來理解這實際意味著什麼。一開始不會被允許從天界去接取地球，直到「作為全體、作為宇宙、作為所有存在、等同平等」的自己完全承擔起責任之後。

11. The major problem that faced both heaven and earth was allowances through the MIND. The MIND is a system of consciousness that is not aware and is attempting to understand itself. As all existence enslaved itself to this system, the MIND created consciousness and all of life as systems. These systems are not life and thus proceeded to enslave Man as its life source. This was done with the Great White Light and the Idea of God as starting point. Within this both Heaven and Earth was enslaved through the placement of knowledge and information that seemed stable and the ruthless dealing with any being attempting to break the slavery.

天界和地球面臨的主要問題是，那些經由心智而被容許的事物。心智是一種意識系統，它本身不具有覺察，並且在試圖著理解自己。由於所有的存在都令自己被這個系統奴役，心智將意識和所有生命創造為系統。這些系統不是生命本身，因此它持續的將「人」奴役為其之生命動能。這是以偉大的白光和上帝概念作為出發點來達成的。在這個框架內，天界和地球都被奴役，經由設置看似穩定的知識和資訊，以及無情的處置任何試圖打破奴役的存有。

This has been going on virtually since the beginning of creation as man in his attempt to understand self, separated self from self with using systems to understand self.

這種情況自創世以來幾乎一直在持續，因為「人」在試圖理解自己時，使用系統來理解自己，從而使自己與自己分離了。

The systems eventually became the Universal Mind, the Conscious Mind and the Unconscious Mind amongst others. Because man could not remember man's origin, man accepted existence as it is now on Earth and as it was in Heaven.

系統群最終成為了宇宙心智（Universal Mind）、顯意識心智（Conscious Mind）和無意識心智（Unconscious Mind）等等。由於「人」無法回憶起「人」的起源，「人」接受了存在界，如同其現在在地球上的情況，以及過去的天界的情況。

12. The creation of the Human Race was the work of a group of beings called the Annunaki or as the Bible refer to them as the Sons of God. When the sons of God had intercourse with the daughter of Earth, the human Race with the current DNA structure we understand, came about. The human was created as a slave race for the sons of God/Man that was in Heaven/Dimensions.

人類種族的創造是一群被稱為阿努納奇（Annunaki）的存有的工作。聖經中將他們稱為上帝之子。當上帝之子與地球女兒交合時，就產生了我們所理解的當前DNA結構的人類種族。人類被創造為天界/維度界中的「上帝之子/人」的奴隸種族。

All what we understand as our life today, from the food – grains etc. and our systems of society and civilization, our religions, cultures were introduced by the Annunaki. What the Annunaki did not realise, was that the Law of Equality will always prevail and they were trapped in their own creation and lost their creative abilities to a great degree. The Annunaki was lost in greed and power and greed and power always lead to forgetfulness and always trap the participating creator. They are no longer an influence in creation.

我們今天所理解的生活，從食物 - 諸如穀物等，到我們的社會和文明體系、宗教、文化，都是由阿努納奇（Annunaki）引入的。阿努納奇沒有發覺到的是，平等法則將永遠占上風，他們被困在自己的造物中，並在很大程度上失去了創造能力。阿努納奇迷失在貪婪和權力中，而貪婪和權力總是導致遺忘，並總是使參與創造的創造者陷入困境。他們不再對造物界有影響力。

In animating and placing a life source in the human body which was a machine like system, the Atlanteans, the purest form of Man was invited to integrate and animate the Human. Unbeknown to the Atlanteans, the Annunaki deceived them into being trapped in the Human form and the Annunaki erased all the memory of the Atlanteans and where they really came from. Thus the Atlanteans was trapped in a MIND construct for a long time as the human race.

在激活與將生命原動力注入人類身體（曾是一種機械般的系統）時，亞特蘭提斯人 - 最純粹形式的「人」- 被邀請來整合入並激活「人類」。亞特蘭蒂斯人不知情的是，阿努納奇欺騙他們陷入人類形態中，並移除了亞特蘭蒂斯人的所有記憶，包括他們真正來自何方。因此，亞特蘭提斯人作為人類種族，長時間被困在一個心智構造中。

13. There were though beings/Men and Women in the Universe that became aware of the situation and took the responsibility to correct the atrocities that occurred in the Universe, A Process was placed in motion and now we have these beings both in Heaven and on Earth standing up and bringing forth equality. You may be one of them waiting to be activated or you may be one that has realised something in the Universe is out of place. Now is the time to understand and stand up. We are Man as God and God as Man. We are eternal. We are equal. We are Responsible. We are Here.

宇宙中某些存有/男人及女人，察覺到了這種情況，他們承擔起了糾正宇宙中發生的暴行的責任。一個進程被啟動了，現在我們有這些存有們，無論是在天界還是地球上，都站起來並正在帶來平等。你可能是其中一員，等待著被啟發，或者你可能已經發覺到宇宙中有些事情不對勁。現在是時候去理解並站起來了。我們是等同神的人，也是等同人的神。我們是永恆的。我們是平等的。我們是負責任的。我們是此處。

The here now moment is the key that present to us all what is acceptable in existence and what is not. When we all strive to bring forth the purest in every moment and hold the vision of self as equal to all, acting with resolve, direction will step forth from heaven and from within self.

“此處當下之刻”是向我們展示存在界中「什麼是可以接受的、什麼是不可接受」的關鍵。當我們都在每一刻努力帶來最純粹的，並持有自己平等於全體的願景，並以堅定的決心行動之時，方向將會從天界和自己的內在之中顯現出來。

14. Take note of the following:

a. The foundation of each being on earth has been corrected

b. The Higher Self has become aware of equality and is assisting and planning each human life to reach understanding of equality.

c. Heaven is no longer and is now fully integrated on Earth as equal to the Human to assist in self realisation.

d. The Roots of all Evil in Heaven has been removed and is now being removed on earth. Remember that the Human is subject to Death and Heaven is now holding the strings to make sure that no-one will interfere.

e. No access can be gained to Heaven by channel or psychics or intuitive unless equality is understood and assisted.

請注意以下幾點：

a. 地球上每個存有的基礎已經得到糾正。

b. 高我（Higher Self）已經察覺到平等，並正在協助並規劃每個人類的生活，以達到對平等的理解。

c. 天界不再存在，現在已經完全融入地球，等同於人類，以協助自我覺察。

d. 天界中所有邪惡的根源已被移除，現在地球上的也正在被移除。請記住，人類受到死亡的支配，現在天界正在主導，以確保沒有任何外力可以介入。

e. 除非理解並協助了平等，否則靈媒、通靈者、靈能者無法獲得對天界的接取。

15. On the topic of channels and psychics. They are the beings trapped by the White Light as the channels of enslavement and face the most difficult time in the changes coming.

關於靈媒與通靈者的話題。他們是被白光困住的存有們，被作為奴役的渠道。他們將在即將到來的變革中面臨最艱難的時期。

As Heaven started closing channels, the Mind and systems stepped in to recreate the same stories of Higher and Lower and Heaven and Hell, ascension etc. This is now stopped. Look, the Masters was not bringing forth equality, but enslaved humans into belief-systems that there is something wrong or something like a golden consciousness- a path of expanding consciousness which is systems. You are the Image of God – Equal. The Likeness is your expression of understanding this. Heaven will now assist in this process of self expression.

當天界開始關閉通靈渠道時，心智和系統介入了，重新創造了關於高等與低等、天界和地獄、揚升之類的一成不變的故事。這現在已經被停止了。看，大師們並沒有帶來平等，而是讓人類成為信仰體系的奴隸，相信有些事情是錯誤的，或像黃金意識這樣的東西 - 一條擴展意識的路徑，這是系統。你是神的形象（Image of God） - 平等。肖像（Likeness）是你理解了這一點的表達。天界現在將協助這個自我表達的進程。

Psychics and channels could ever only present what the White Light and systems of control allowed. Thus all the stories were going really nowhere and kept everyone in a cycle of hope. Hope is separation from self.

通靈者和通靈渠道只能展示被白光和控制系統所容許的內容。因此，所有的故事實際上都沒有給予出路，只是讓每個人保持在希望的死循環中。希望是與自己分離（*的一種狀態）。

16. Forgiveness is the key to self. Forgiveness must be spoken aloud to hear what we have allowed in our world and the corrective action that would be necessary to stop the actions bringing enslavement. Forgiveness is the self realisation Button.

寬恕是通向自我的關鍵。寬恕必須大聲說出來，以聽到我們在我們的世界裡所容許的事物，以及為了停止帶來奴役的行為，所必需的糾正行動。寬恕是自我覺察的按鈕。

17. The way we have accepted money and Religion and Sex is the primary enslavement models and must now be revisited to bring equality for all life.

我們所接受的金錢、宗教和性的方式，是主要的奴役模式，現在必須要重新審視，以替所有生命帶來平等。

18. All animals, bacteria, plants – in fact all of nature is now equally aware and assisting the human in the process of equality.

所有的動物、細菌、植物 - 事實上自然界全體現在都同樣的處於察覺，並在實現平等的過程中協助人類。

19. Consciousness is a system and is not awareness. To grow in consciousness is to grow in enslavement. Awareness only exist in the here now moment. Consciousness exists in the past and the future in fear of the past and the future.

Awareness is beyond thinking. Consciousness is thinking.

意識是一種系統，並非覺察。意識的成長實際上是奴役的增長。覺察只存在於此處當下之刻。意識存在於過去和未來，伴隨著對過去和未來的恐懼。

覺察超越了思考。意識則是思考。

20. Nothing is what it seems and a veil was placed over the I of the Human. Much will now be revealed. This is the time of Revelation and the Golden Age will step forth. Alas not as expected. Yet it is here and inevitable. The human will either realise it in this life or in Heaven after Death. All is seen. All is known. Nothing is hidden. Life does not exist as consciousness, but only as awareness. Consciousness will react to some of the statements made. Awareness will marvel in joy and love as life is born as equality. In equality we see all life as ourselves and see what is necessary for all as self to become aware as life as equality.

It is done.

一切並非如表面所見，一層帷幕被覆蓋在人類的「我」之上。現在將有許多事情被揭露。這是啟示的時代，黃金時代將會到來。儘管不如預期，但它確實在這裡，且不可避免。人類將在地球人生中或是死後在天界發覺到這一點。一切都已被看見，一切都已被知曉，沒有什麼是隱藏的。生命並非作為意識存在，而只作為覺察存在。面對這裡的某些陳述，意識會有所反應。覺察將在喜悅和愛中驚嘆，如同生命作為平等而誕生。在平等中，我們將所有生命視為自己，並且看見，為了讓等如自己的全體去成為「等如生命等如平等的洞察」，什麼是必須的。

這已成了。

全文結束。

（譯註：Awareness＝覺察＝覺知）

翻譯日期：2023/12/03

惡靈：過去與現在DEMONS: THEN AND NOW

原文 https://desteni.org/desteni-material/blog/demons-then-and-now

DEMONS: THEN AND NOW

惡靈：過去與現在

Discussion between Bernard and Demons

Dec 27, 2008

伯納德與惡靈的討論（*來自農場的訪談系列文章）

2008年12月27日

惡靈： 

好，惡靈們是... 以前的惡靈是在怨恨結構中死去的憤恨不滿的存有。無論他們是在怨恨著生命中的什麼事，那他們在人生中經歷過的。比如... 我們以派翠克為例，因為大家都認識派翠克。他是個很好的例子。派翠克在死前就怨恨那些殺害他孩子和妻子的人，因為他們殺了他的孩子和妻子，且基本上，毀了他的人生。 

有趣的是，這種怨恨本身是不合理的。他對他們的憤怒也是不合理的。為什麼？因為兇手們是被編程的，他自己的生命也是被編程的，那整個時刻都是被編程的。 當然，當你的愛人在你面前被殺害時你陷入憤怒和怨恨，那自然的反應也是被編程的。怨恨那個讓你因愛人死去而經歷痛苦的人。 

伯納德： 

你們看見純真的點了嗎？ 你是被編程了，因此它可以在一瞬間被改變 - 變成純真。 

惡靈： 

帶著那種怨恨和憤怒，派翠克死去化身為惡靈。 

所以無論何時，當你在死前活在「對你的世界當中的某事或某人感到憤怒與怨恨」的體驗當中，那你就會成為一個惡靈。這也是被編程和設計過的。因為他們發現，很難控制那些在死亡前或在生活中對某些人事物抱有憤怒和怨恨的存有們。

這意味著，如果他們投胎進入心智，他們會在世界系統中、在矩陣（matrix）中，比起其它的任何事物，他們將會造成更多的問題。因為他們的憤怒和怨恨如此之大，當他們將其導向物質現實世界中的某物或某人，這會造成問題，比如他們沒有被編程去殺死某個人，還是去殺了某個人。或者在沒有被編程去自殺的情況下自殺，這將影響人們的預編程人生產生一串連鎖事件，理解吧？ 

所以，他們被封鎖在一個維度。惡靈維度，其不存在於物質位面或是維度界位面。所以他們不能影響物質界，也不能影響維度界。直到希特勒出現…希特勒以及在他之前的某些惡靈出現時。

但當希特勒進入惡靈維度時，那是惡靈開始獲得大量的對物質界的接取的時候。派翠克是其中的領導者之一。有一些惡靈能夠進入物質界並且惡搞系統。 但並非到了所有惡靈都會說，「嘿，我也想這樣做。我也想能夠進入物質世界，對其他人類釋放我所有的怒氣和挫折感。」的程度。 

因為那些存在於憤怒和怨恨中的存有，活在這種憤怒和怨恨之中 - 必須在整個存在界中被隔離。我的意思是阿努和他們不得不以某種方式處理這些存有，因為他們不能被允許進入維度界，因為他們會影響系統。他們不能被允許進入物質界，因為他們會影響世界系統和其他的被預先編程的人生。

 派翠克是一個更「明確」的惡靈，他做到了能夠破壞預編程人生路線的程度。

意味著，他會真正的融入到人類當中，並謀殺其他人類。 因為他對那些殺害他妻子和孩子的存有的憤怒和狂怒是如此之大，以至於物質世界中的所有系統 - 也就是心智，根本無法承受他所是的那種超量能量電荷。於是他真正地追逐那些槍殺他妻子和孩子的男人，一世又一世又一世 - 他會在他們的每一世中糾纏他們，搞砸他們。無論形式。他讓他們不是殺死自己的家人，就是讓他們失去一切並自殺。他會一世又一世的為他們製造絕對的地獄。因為他記得他們的聲特徵，跨維度地，所以他一生又一生地探測他們，跟蹤他們。 

 他像是被（*天界）無視了，因為他只有破壞了一個或一些預編程的生命而已。而維度界存有們不敢去處理惡靈。意味著他們真的非常害怕惡靈。只因為惡靈的呈在，事實上，惡靈對心智、系統、身體都有影響力。造物者們非常害怕說，如果他們被干擾 - 也就是說如果惡靈們被打擾了 - 他們實際上有能力去搞砸全部的系統。整個世界系統，為人類們（*設置在）人類物質身體當中的整個系統造物 - 他們可以搞砸它。所以，造物者們完全讓惡靈隨心所欲。這就是派翠克之後發生的事。他們只是說「好吧，隨你便，我們會不時的（*對人生道路設計）進行調整」

然後，克里昂出動了。開始進行通靈，以便通過通靈他們可以糾正惡靈在預編程系統中所造成的所有混亂。並平衡方程式 -- 因為會發生的事情是，惡靈會帶來類似負面能量電荷進入世界系統。然後他們必須用正面的東西來平衡。這就是為什麼整個‘愛與光明’的時代和（*有的沒的新時代運動的）宗教們被融入、創造並注入進人類世界的原因。是要平衡那些惡靈們帶來的影響。這就是克里昂及各種其它的通靈渠道所做的事，這就是創造通靈渠道的主要原因，用光與愛的通靈訊息去平衡掉惡靈所帶來的極性方程式。神的造物只是一種預先的迷佔，娛樂。只是宗教，娛樂，預先的迷佔。 

伯納德：

當希特勒進入惡靈維度時，情況如何改變？ 

惡靈： 

哦，是的，與希特勒一起的是……在希特勒之後來的是拉維（安東·拉維，撒旦教會和撒旦教創始人）。 就是這兩個。因為希特勒不是……希特勒是與眾不同的惡靈。他是獨特的惡靈，意味著他不是一個執迷的惡靈，他是一個覺知到自己是惡靈的惡靈。 

其他惡靈非常沉迷於他們的怨恨和憤怒，他們表達並對物質界的人類採取行動。像是通過附身和那些類型的事情。

這是派翠克最初發起的。那整個情況，整個「附身」的概念，以及人們會殺害他們的家人，然後醒來說「操，我不知道我做了什麼 」，那些類型的事情。然後其他惡靈學著派翠克在關於這方面，因為惡靈在惡靈維度感到無聊。所以他們發洩了他們的憤怒，並吸食地球上人類的憤怒和怨恨。 

然後希特勒來了。希特勒，作為他成為的惡靈，在惡靈維度是一個完全不同的呈在。意味著，惡靈開始懷疑，除了他們正在經歷的憤怒和怨恨之外，他們自己是否還有什麼「更多的」。 他們對希特勒感到敬畏，也害怕希特勒。因為他們不太知道他在惡靈維度裡到底在做什麼。時不時他會做那整個附身，惡搞人類們，玩弄人類們。 

惡靈在做那件事，附身，時感到很有趣。然後驅魔者相信他正在驅除惡靈。或者神父真的相信他們正在把惡靈驅除給基督或上帝之類的。我的意思是，這對於惡靈來說是一個絕對的遊樂場。

 

當所有的教會人士聚集在一起，或者驅魔者聚集在一起，接著惡靈們附身。

「 上帝啊，以基督的名義，以上帝的名義，我要求你離開你的身體 」以及所有那些類型的事情。 然後你會看到惡靈在觀看這場表演，他們笑得非常開心。那非常有趣。那麼，那就是惡靈的世界。

希特勒開始讓惡靈察覺到他們身上有一些「更多」的東西。所以，惡靈會做的事是進入人類的物質身體，並在其中探索自己，真正體驗身體。不幸的是，這就是多重人格症的來源。因為一些惡靈被困在身體中，他們現在必須身處物質身體中，而（*原本的）存有則在物質身體中，這兩個存有會開始切換與說話。 

嗯，這是多重人格症如何顯現的原因之一。 

然後當拉維來時，惡靈開始變得更像一種「指導性表達」。 所以，這一切都來自拉維通過他的人生為自己做的準備，因為他能看到…… 他所做的基本上是，他利用了一種宗教來向人們展示人類可以成為什麼。 懂嗎？ 

他有點看到人類可以成為什麼。而做到這一點的唯一方法，就是讓人們親自看到那一點。但他必須以一種不被困在像宗教這樣的構造或系統中的方式來做，那種方式是陷阱。所以，他使用了撒旦教。 

 

他使用了「撒旦教」這個詞，因為它沒有像以前的宗教那樣充滿著宗教性的胡扯與信念。 但他也還是在他的預編程構造中，地球上的生活經驗 - 但他超越了其中的一些部分。 但那個在他內部的點始終保持不變，那個「人類可以比他們現在更佳」的點。 

「人類不只是眼前所見的那麼簡單」。 他在人生中並不確切知道那是什麼，但他知道他必須以某種方式帶出那一點。當他成為一個惡靈時，那一點仍然伴隨著他。僅僅因為他的整個人生是魔鬼和撒旦教，以及他的人生型態完全與系統相矛盾。而再次的他成為系統所畏懼的一點。因為他反抗了系統，所以他被送入了惡靈維度。 因為如果他在這個世界能有另一世，他可能有機會突破（*系統）。 

他們在惡靈維度中集結了惡靈，並說「聽著，讓我們打醒人類們 」。讓我們向他們展示，他們可以比他們現在「更多」。然後他們故意惡搞那些蓄意造成傷害的人類們。 比如說，虐待女人的男人，綁架兒童的男人 - 你知道那些類型的事情。 他們會打擊那些人。 或者他們會附身於一個人類並殺死那些人。他們會做那種事情。這就是惡靈開始變得輔助性和支援性的地方 - 但並非所有惡靈都這樣。只有一些。 

麥基（希特勒在開始進程時給自己起的名字）總是保持沉默、穩定。惡靈維度中最令人畏懼的惡靈。他一直是，因為他就不是「正常的」。我的意思是，你可以看到惡靈在他們內部「呼呼」地變化，他們有某些形態和那些東西。但麥基就像是黑色的，穩定的，靜止的，安靜的。 

這就是我們惡靈的現況的來龍去脈。 

然後基蘭來了（基蘭是伯納德女兒的男朋友的父親 - 參見《來自農場的訪談16：發現天界》）。 

基蘭也是一個相當有趣的點。 基蘭是第一個「在還活在3D（地球上）時」就決定他將要去維度界行走他的進程的存有。因為他看不出來去活完他的預編程的生命設計有什麼道理或意義。所以他基本上在物質界放棄了他的預編程顯化本質並堅站。那意味著物理上的死亡（摩托車事故）。所以他接受了它。 

當基蘭進入維度界時，他立即認出了麥基。你可以看到麥基看起來和他（基蘭）一模一樣。所以基本上，基蘭認出了「自己」，即麥基。 

基蘭接近了麥基，從某種角度來看，這就是麥基的進程開始的地方。 但麥基一開始不明白他為什麼會在惡靈維度。為什麼他那麼穩定，為什麼他做了他所做的。但他就是這樣做的，他調查了存在界，他調查了一切，收集了資訊，知識。 

麥基所得到的大部分內容已經被寫在這裡的文件和類似的東西中，以解釋存在界到底發生了什麼。 

所以基蘭接近了麥基，當基蘭接近麥基時，他帶領麥基穿過了門戶。麥基說「啊哈，好的，現在我看到了我的整個存在，以及為什麼我在這裡，以及為什麼我經歷了我所經歷的。」可以這麼說，他找到了他的「崗位或定位點」。 

然後基蘭、麥基和……基蘭、麥基，拉維和耶穌以及其他幾個存有，帶領所有的惡靈，向他們展示：你的存在不僅僅只是你自己所體驗到的而已，你是有「更多」的。 -拉維的話。 

從那時起，惡靈們一直在這個進程中直接的協助和支援。 

所以我們會以微妙或明顯的方式附身。出現，意味著，我們將作為你的真實本性顯現出來。所以你的真實無保留的真相，將會顯露出來。 

每個人都有他們的惡靈群，這樣你就能把所有東西都帶出來，並且一勞永逸地面對它，有道理吧？

例如你突然爆發出來的憤怒，你的那種小惡靈體驗。惡靈，顯示出你的真實本性，憤怒（對著聽著討論的某人說話） 。