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[聊天記錄翻譯] 輪迴轉世與靈魂
翻譯：吳畏
說明：以下聊天記錄在翻譯過程中為了便於閱讀理解而對發言先後順序做了調整，並且主要抽取出了由Sunette和Bernard直接參與的談話，涉及到他人的對話內容主要是他們提出的問題，對話其餘部分則未翻譯。
[19:51] Topic changed: Reincarnation and the soul --Sunette will have the floor
主題：輪迴轉世和靈魂——Sunette會開始講解
[19:59] <●Sunette> Reincarnation and the Soul
<●Sunette>:輪迴轉世與靈魂
[19:59] <●Sunette> Before earth existed . beings existed throughout the universe, very much similarly to how we exist on earth now. They were born, not necessarily through a woman and they died. It was like coming from a planet and then returning to a planet upon death. Therefore, the nature-design of a being was related to the planets/stars.
<●Sunette>: 在地球存在以前，存有們遍佈整個宇宙，非常像我們如今在地球上的存在方式。他們會出生（但不必通過女人），他們也死亡。他們就好像從行星中來，然後在死亡時又回到行星中去。因此一個存有的本質設計樣式是與行星/星球有關的。
[20:00] <●Sunette> When it was discovered that Earth as Sound represented a perspective through which eternal life could be designed .the idea of the soul was conceived and was marketed and sold to all the beings in the Universe.
<●Sunette>：當等同聲的地球被發現，提供了一個視角，由此可以設計永恆生命時，靈魂的觀念就被孕育、推銷並兜售給了宇宙中的所有存有們。
[20:00] <●Sunette> The point was, that ensoulment of a Being would give them eternal-life. For that, the being had to become part of the planet Earth, or as it was called at the time: Atlantis; and then through a system which is the Mind Consciousness System; they would design an energy-body with the energy-body being the energy of the planet captured in-time as a system.
<●Sunette> :當時（關於靈魂所推銷和兜售）的要點是，將靈魂賦予一個存有會給他們永恆生命。為此，這個存有必須得成為行星地球（那時地球被稱為亞特蘭蒂斯）的一部分，然後通過一個系統（也就是心智意識系統），他們會設計出一個能量身體，這個能量身體是由此行星的能量被捕獲於時間中而產生的一個系統。
[20:01] <●Sunette> (All - if you have any questions as you read - Ask, and we'll discuss)
<●Sunette>：（所有人，如果你們在閱讀時有任何問題，請發問，我們會討論。）
[20:01] <●Sunette> This was a chieved through the capturing of images and relationships as memories and when a being has captured sufficient memories within the agreed context of what souls would be allowed to form part of the future ternal realm called heaven: a being would become ensouled by being recognized as a soul by the hierarchy that set themselves up as command and control of the process of eternal-life.
<●Sunette>：這是通過將圖像和關係捕獲成為記憶而做到的，當一個存有已經（根據當時大家同意了的：什麼樣的靈魂會被允許形成將來被稱為‘天堂’的永恆之境的一部分）而捕獲了足夠多的記憶時，那麼這個存有就會被一個階級體制，認可為一個靈魂從而被賦予靈魂。（該階級體制將他們自己設立為這個永恆生命的過程之中的指揮控制體系）
[20:01] <●Sunette> Now, here it is important to remember or realise, the context of consciousness as it relates to memory, where memory is seen as giving values Which is then linked to either good or bad.
<●Sunette>：注意，這裡要記住或認識的非常重要的一點是：意識的情境，因為意識與記憶有關，而記憶被視作“賦予價值”，進而被連結到了好或壞。
[20:02] <●Sunette> Those that were good, thus loyal to the hierarchy which later-on became known asThe Light/God, would be allowed to form part of the Family of Light, which was given the name of Life and be allowed to live eternally in Heaven in the company of God/The Light. To make sure that those allowed into heaven were Loyal a process of tests were designed which became known as reincarnation.
<●Sunette>：那些好人——也就是那些忠於那個階級體制而後來成為了光/神的存有們，他們會被允許形成光之家族的一部分（光被稱為“生命”），從而被允許永遠活在天堂中的「神/光」的公司中。為了確保那些被允許進入天堂的存有們是忠誠的，一個考驗過程被設計出來了，這成為了我們現在所知的輪迴轉世。
[20:02] <●Sunette> So - up to here,thus far - we have got the process of the creation of Reincarnation
<●Sunette>：因此，到目前為止，我們講了輪迴轉世的創造過程。
[20:03] <●Sunette> Your lives on earth as a 'test' to your loyalty/servancy to God/White Light to'deserve' your 'place in Heaven'
<●Sunette>：你在地球這裡的生命（過去）是對你的“考驗”——“考驗”你是否對神/白光忠誠並服務於它，以“贏得”你“在天堂中的地位”。
[20:03] <●Sunette> The evidence of the loyalty or disloyalty were stored in the Akashic Records to be used on Judgment-day where the decision would be made whether you would go to Heaven as a Soul or to Hell as a Demon/De-Souled being . Because the design of the Soul was based-on Energy there was a Polarity that had to be directed.
<●Sunette> ：是否忠誠的證據被保存在了阿卡西記錄中，被用於在審判日做出決定——你是作為一個靈魂進入天堂，還是作為一個惡靈/無靈魂的存有進入地獄。由於靈魂的設計是建立在能量的基礎上的，因此有兩極性必須得到導引。
[20:04] <▲Bernard Poolman1> you will find the idea/promise of eternal life or eternal damnation in most religiouns
<▲Bernard Poolman>：在大部分宗教中你都會發現對永恆生命或永恆懲罰的許諾/觀念。
[20:05] <●Sunette> Obviously, here -what beings didn't know/realise was the 'amount of lives' they'd have to walk on this earth to be 'judged' as loyal or disloyal -additionally, because they would not remember how many lives they'd already walked through and so - they could be 'enslaved' for as long as the hierarchies desires
<●Sunette>：顯然，在這裡存有們未曾知道/認識到的是：在他們被“審判”為是忠誠的還是不忠誠的之前，他們必須得在這個地球上經歷“多少生世”——除此之外，因為他們不會記住他們已經經歷了多少生世，因此那個階級體制想要“奴役”他們多久就能“奴役”他們多久。
[20:05] <●Sunette> Therefore having demons were essential to the existence of the Soul to allow the negative energy to be consumed and not to accumulate and cause problems to the balance of eternal Life.
<●Sunette>：因此，當時惡靈的存在對於靈魂的存在在本質上是必要的，為的是允許負面能量被消耗掉，而不是累積而對永恆生命的平衡造成問題。
[20:05] <●Sunette> Therefore the positive energy were channelled to Heaven to create eternal life , and the negative energy was channelled to the demon-dimension to create ?Hell? so to speak. Both sides of the polarity were subject to a constant stream of energy.
<●Sunette>：因此，正面能量被傳輸到天堂中去製造永恆生命，而負面能量被傳輸到惡靈維度中去製造所謂的“地獄”。兩極的雙方都屈從於持續不斷的能量流。
[20:06] <●Sunette> So - here you have your Spirituality / Positivity - generating energy within the mind for Heaven
<●Sunette> ：因此，靈修/正面是在心智之中為天堂生產能量。
[20:06] <AnnaBrixThomsen> Were beings then also prompted/pushed to become demons?
<AnnaBrixThomsen>：那時的存有們也被往成為惡靈的方向激勵/推動嗎？
[20:06] <▲Bernard Poolman1> Loyalty had to be proven --thus no prompting other than to get to the real decision of the being
<▲Bernard Poolman>：忠誠必須被證明——因此，沒有推動，只有存有自己做出真正的決定。
[20:07] <●Sunette> Anna - no, they were contained in the demon dimension, especially in the beginnings as some beings were seen as threats to the equilibirum of the vibration of heaven and so were trapped into memories/experiences to 'contain' them and left them in the 'lower planes' where demons were formed
<●Sunette>：Anna，沒有，他們被囚禁在惡靈維度中，尤其是在起初時，因為一些存有們被視作是對天堂的振動平衡產生威脅，因此他們被困在記憶/體驗之中以“囚禁”他們，並把他們留在“較低層面”中，惡靈們就是從那裡形成的。
[20:08] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes--loyalty meaning to submit to god without question for eternity
<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的——忠誠意味著順從神並且永遠不質疑。
[20:07] <AnnaBrixThomsen> What was the ratio? Did it have to be 50/50 to maintain balance?
<AnnaBrixThomsen>：比例是多少？維持平衡是否必須得是50/50的比例？
[20:08] <●Sunette> Anna – no
<●Sunette> ：Anna，沒有。
[20:08] <AnnaBrixThomsen> ok thanks
<AnnaBrixThomsen> ：好的，謝謝。
[20:09] <●Sunette> The ratio was maintained through the unified consciousness field that would callibrate the extent of positive and negative energy - and when the positive is low, they'd insert ways/means/events to lift the vibrations of minds in humans to generate positive energy – through spirtituality/religion/sex
<●Sunette> ：比例是通過聯合意識場來維持的，聯合意識場會調校正面能量和負面能量的程度 —— 當正面能量低時，他們會植入一些方法/手段/事件來提升人類心智的振動用以生產正面能量 —— 通過靈修/宗教/交媾。
[20:09] <▲Bernard Poolman1> once a demon --you were no longer part of reincarnation unless you stole a body
<▲Bernard Poolman>：一旦成了惡靈，你就不再是輪迴轉世的一部分了，除非你偷一個身體。
[20:08] <MattiFreeman> the people in this chat - were we mostly loyal to heaven, or demons, or have we done it all?
<MattiFreeman>：參與目前這個聊天的人——我們是大部分都曾忠於天堂，還是做過惡靈，還是我們全都做過？
[20:09] <●Sunette> lol Matti - we've all been around the wheel of existence
<●Sunette>：哈哈，Matti，我們全都在整個存在之輪中到處轉過。
[20:08] <mikelammers> so it was either licking feet or fucking of and roam as a demon? As below so above?
<mikelammers>：因此你要麼跪拜在地，要麼滾蛋而成為惡靈到處遊蕩？天上如此，地上也如此？
[20:09] <KimKline> What determined the real decision of the being?
<KimKline>：什麼決定了一個存有的真正決定？
[20:09] <Joana> was there a choice?
<Joana>：存在著選擇嗎？
[20:10] <▲Bernard Poolman1> hte choice was either loyalty to god regardless --or to reincarnte to see if you would become loyal or to be send to the demon dimensions
▲Bernard Poolman：當時的選擇是：你要無條件的忠於神，否則會被送入輪迴轉世以測試你是否能變得忠誠，或需要被送入惡靈維度。
[20:11] <▲Bernard Poolman1> free choice was to choose god
▲Bernard Poolman： 自由選擇在當時是選擇神。
[20:12] <RandyKrafft> so there wasn't'free' choice, then
<RandyKrafft>：那麼根本就不存在“自由”選擇了。
[20:12] <●Sunette> No Randy
<●Sunette>：是不存在，Randy
[20:12] <kim__A> wow so you'd re main a demon forever
<kim__A>：哇，那就會永遠是惡靈了
[20:13] <▲Bernard Poolman1>yes--eternal damnation kim
▲Bernard Poolman：Kim, 是的——永恆的懲罰
[20:10] <RubenMoutinho> Is there a difference between positive and negative energy?
<RubenMoutinho>：正面能量與負面能量有區別嗎？
[20:11] <●Sunette> Ruben - yes and no- the substance of the energy was the same as created through the mind in polarity - but the nature of the energy differed, asnegative energy was more heavier/substantial and positive energy more airy-fairy
<●Sunette>：Ruben，答案是既有又沒有——能量的基質是相同的，都是透過心智在極性之中製造出來的；但是能量的性質不同，因為負面能量更沉重/有實質性，而正面能量更輕飄飄/空洞。
[20:12] <▲Bernard Poolman1> in a way the negative was the dark energy and the positive the light energy
<▲Bernard Poolman>：在一定意義上，負面能量是暗能量，而正面能量是光能量。
[20:12] <●Sunette> Okay - let's continue:
<●Sunette>：好的，我們繼續：
[20:12] <●Sunette> The being that would reincarnate would reincarnate within a chosen-test form at with little recall of previous-lives and once they die, the new life s memories would be stored in the Akaschic Records where it would be studied by the hierarchy to see if a being has proven their loyalty to God.
<●Sunette>：投胎的存有將會轉世到一個選擇測試的形式之中，幾乎回憶不起以前的生世。當他們死亡時，這新的一生的記憶就會被儲存在阿卡西記錄中，由階級體制進行研究，考察這個存有是否已經證明了他們對神的忠誠。
[20:13] <●Sunette> Thus, would they support and remain part of the system and never question the hierarchy. If a person / soul were found to be ready they would ascend and be freed from the cycle of rebirth/tests and they would be allowed to choose a life-path which would either be service to the hierarchy in various forms, like ? being a guide, or being are searcher in the Akaschic Records or being the Pillar
eternal-society to keep the energy stable
<●Sunette>：因此，他們會支援這個系統並成為這個系統的一部分而永遠不質疑階級體制。如果一個人/靈魂被發現準備好了，他們就會飛昇，並從重新出生/考驗的迴圈中解脫出來，然後他們會被允許選擇一個生命道路——而這會以各種形式服務於階級體制，例如成為一個指導靈，或者成為阿卡西記錄的一個研究員，或者成為永恆社會的支柱而維持能量的穩定。
[20:13] <AntonF> and which god was that sunettte, as there were zoo of them?
<AntonF>：Sunette，那神是什麼？是有一群神嗎？
[20:13] <●Sunette> AntonF - 'God' /'The White Light' / 'Anu'
<●Sunette>：AntonF，“神”/“白光”/“安努”
[20:14] <●Sunette> For these purposes Families of Light were created, which would work together to establish a particular energy-dimension where a certain amount of beings that?s ensouled would be able to exist for eternity in a form of positive happiness and bliss, similarly to being on a form of drugs.
<●Sunette>：為了達到這些目的，光之家族被創立了，他們會一起合作確立一個特定的能量維度，在其中一定數量的被賦予了靈魂的存有們能夠永遠存在於一種“正面的幸福和極樂”狀態中，與吸毒的人很相似。
[20:15] <●Sunette> And, if one look at for example, drugs/alcohol - it give one that positive/heavenly experience - equal-to and one-with that heavenly-experience self as the soul desired and so addictions are created to energy/heaven/afterlife searching for the 'better life' as we're pre-programmed to yearn for 'that experience'
<●Sunette>：並且，如果你看一看毒品/酒精——這些東西給人一種正面/天堂般的體驗，這與作為靈魂的自己所渴望的天堂般的體驗是等同如一的，由此製造出了對「能量/天堂/死後生命世界」的上癮，追求著“更好的生命”，因為我們被預先編程了對“那種體驗”的渴望。
[20:14] <Manuela> Sunette: how was the positive negative energy measured - through the unified field -but how?
<Manuela>：Sunette，正面能量和負面能量那時是如何被測量的？通過聯合意識場？但是如何測量呢？
[20:15] <●Sunette> Manuela - through a magnetic unified field encircling the world-unified field from which energy/frequency tests were done to assess the ratios
<●Sunette>：Manuela，是通過一個環繞著世界聯合場的磁性聯合場來做能量/頻率檢驗的，用以評估正負能量的比例。
[20:18] <Manuela> Sunette is there a relation to this technology within what we experience as gravity?
<Manuela>：Sunette，我們體驗到的萬有引力與這種科技是否有關？
[20:19] <●Sunette> Manuela – which technology?
<●Sunette> ：Manuela，什麼科技？
[20:20] <Manuela> the technology of taking tests to understand the levels of frequency for calibration Sunette
<Manuela>：Sunette，我是指用於檢驗頻率級別以進行調校的那些科技。
[20:22] <●Sunette> Manuela - it's not technology per say; the measurement was do n einter dimensionally/physically as the beings themselves/through the beings themselves that stood equal-to and one with the frequencies/energies and callibrations and could do the test through themselves
<●Sunette>：Manuela，那些並非科技，那些測量的做法是跨維度/物質性地等同/通過那些存有他們自己立於與頻率/能量和調校等同如一，因此他們可以通過他們本身進行校驗。
[20:15] <▲Bernard Poolman1> in higher frequencies--the higher the frequency --the higher the heavens
<▲Bernard Poolman>：在更高的頻率中——頻率越高，天堂的層級越高。
[20:15] <Carolyne_Schnidr> is frequancy same as enery?
<Carolyne_Schnidr>：頻率與能量相同嗎？
[20:16] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes ---frequency/vibration is the rate with which the energy moves –the faster it moves--the more exitement --like a sugar high
<▲Bernard Poolman>：相同。頻率/振動是能量運動的速率，而能量運動越快，激勵就越強，就好像吃糖帶來的快感一樣。
[20:17] <●Sunette> Yes, though – there was 'frequency' in the dimensional existence different from the current understanding of frequency - which was a mix between energy and magnetics that created an extensive 'force/movement' and was often used to create fields around energy/to contain energy
<●Sunette>：相同，可是在維度存在界中曾有一種與目前理解的頻率不同的“頻率”，這種頻率是介於能量和磁性之間的一種混合體，它能產生一股很強的“力/運動”，曾常被用於在能量周圍產生力場來容納能量。
[20:17] <kim__A> sunette - were these'heavenly blissful beings' aware that they were consuming the energy from earth - or did they have nice stories that cover up the truth?
<kim__A>：Sunette，那些“天堂中享受極樂的存有們”曾覺察到他們是在消耗來自地球的能量嗎？還是他們編造了一些美麗的故事來掩蓋真相？
[20:18] <●Sunette> kim_A - some knew,others didn't - but was always believed that, that connection of energy was 'god' / 'white light' unifying/keeping in contact with its children / creation
<●Sunette>：Kim_A，有一些人知道，其餘人不知道——但他們一直都相信：能量的連結是“神”/“白光”在與其「子民/創造物」「聯合統一/保持聯繫。」
[20:17] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the mind consciousness system was the factory with which the energy was produced through "natural" living
<▲Bernard Poolman>：心智意識系統是個工廠，能量由此透過“自然”的生活而被生產出來。
[20:18] <▲Bernard Poolman1> energy of the mind is either feelings or emotions --feelings being higher and emotions being lower
▲Bernard Poolman：：心智的能量是感覺或是情緒——感覺高一些，情緒低一些。
（*轉貼備註：感覺是正向能量，情緒是負向能量）
[20:19] <Deedra_> so in heaven where there ever 'experiences of feelings or emotions'?
<Deedra_>：那麼在天堂中曾經有過“感覺或能量的體驗”嗎？
[20:19] <●Sunette> Deedra_ only feelings / positive energy as all of heaven was layered in to different vibrations of one pure/positive/good energy
[20:19] <●Sunette> All the bad stuff was kept down there by humans and demons
<●Sunette>：Deddra，在天堂中只有感覺/正面能量，因為所有的天堂都是由一種純粹/正面/好的能量層疊進不同的振動之中的。所有的負能量都被固定降下到人類和惡靈那裡。
[20:21] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the way the heavens we layered where through frequency bands --like a magnetic layer that repel any one that is not of the particular frequency to make sure each one end up in the dimension they belong to or have achieved --this happened between lives while waiting for reincarnation
▲Bernard Poolman：過去天堂的分層是通過頻率帶實現的，就好像一個磁層一樣，它會排斥任何不屬於某個特定頻率的人，以確保每個人都處於他們所屬或達到的維度中 —— 這發生在每一世之間的等待投胎的階段
[20:21] <AnnaBrixThomsen> lol bad science fiction movies are molded in the image and likeness of reality
<AnnaBrixThomsen>：哈哈，像是糟糕的科幻電影被塑造進了實在的形象和行象之中。
[20:22] <MattiFreeman> heaven was the highest budget movie ever
<MattiFreeman> ：天堂是有史以來預算最高的電影了。
[20:22] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yesmattifreeman --it was all about the show--just like it is now on earth
<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，mattifreeman，全都只是一場秀而已，就像現在地球上的一樣。
[20:22] <●Sunette> Okay - let'smove on and recap for a moment:
<●Sunette> 好的，我們繼續，暫時先概括一下：
[20:23] <●Sunette> For the purposes Families of Light were created, which would work together to establish a particular energy-dimension where a certain amount of beings that`s ensouled would be able to exist for eternity in a form of positive happiness and bliss, similarly to being on a form of drugs.
<●Sunette>：為了達到這些目的，光之家族被創立了，他們會一起合作建構一個特定的能量維度，在其中一定數量的被賦予了靈魂的存有們能夠永遠存在於一種“正面的幸福和極樂”的狀態中，與吸毒的人很相似。
[20:23] <●Sunette> This state of high energy-vibration would then be called Love. The nice thing about this ensoulment process was that, the energy were harvested but the memories were separated from the being at death, and therefore the being would not remember eventually what happened on earth
as they would be through the directed messages on earth ,focused on the ideal of eternal-life.
<●Sunette>：這種高能量振動狀態接著被稱為“愛”。在這個賦予靈魂的過程中一件巧妙的事是，存有的能量被收割走了，但當此存有死亡時，記憶卻與他分離開了，因此這個存有最終不會記起在地球上發生了什麼，因為他們會通過在地球上受控的消息，而專注于永恆生命的理念上。
[20:23] <▲Bernard Poolman1> all about controling the desires and hopes of the beings--to achieve eternal life
<▲Bernard Poolman>：這些全都是為了控制人們對達到永恆生命的欲望和希望。
[20:23] <Carolyne_Schnidr> Is there a difference between mind created energy through emotions thoughts and feelings and energy like feng shui （wind water） and influence of stars to human beings?
<Carolyne_Schnidr>：心智透過情緒、思想和感覺產生的能量，對比例如風水及對人類產生影響的星象的能量，之間有區別嗎？
[20:24] <●Sunette> Carolyne – nope ,same mind-energy, different ：'experience/definition' - but same mind-energy generation
<●Sunette>：Carolyne，沒有區別，是同樣的心智能量，不同的“體驗/定義”，但是同樣的心智能量產生。
[20:25] <▲Bernard Poolman1> carolyne --wind, water, fengshui, the starts were all symbolic influences that would stimulate particular programms to create specific types of energy to supply to specifc dimensions--there were many dimensions each requiring their particular energy in a steady flow--thus the control of the mind in relation to stimulus and production had to be very steady and that is why it is so difficult to break the control patterns
<▲Bernard Poolman>：carolyne，風、水、風水和星象以前都是符號式的影響，它們會啟動心智之中特定的程式，創造特定類型的能量，以供應給特定的維度空間，以前有許多維度空間，每一個都需要有穩定流動的特定能量——因此與刺激和產生能量相關的心智控制必須得非常穩定，這就是為什麼打破控制模式如此困難。
[20:25] <Antoaneta> kind of like a code you tuned into Bernard?
<Antoaneta>：像是一種你調頻的編碼，Bernard？
[20:27] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes antoaneta
▲Bernard Poolman：：是的，antoaneta
[20:23] <MayaH> Sunette: what is the families of light?
<MayaH>：Sunette，什麼是光之家族？
[20:25] <●Sunette> MayaH - Group Souls/ Groups of beings in Heaven creating/existing in their own heaven
<●Sunette>：MayaH，光之家族是指在天堂中的靈魂群體/存有群體，他們創造他們自己的天堂並存在於其中。
[20:26] <MayaH> so that was after they ascended the reincarnation sunette?
<MayaH>：Sunette，那是在他們從輪迴轉世中揚升後嗎？
[20:27] <●Sunette> MayaH – yes
<●Sunette>： MayaH，是的。
[20:24] <RandyKrafft> so is this where the family construct - as we know it - came into being - as aby-product of the ';families of light'?
<RandyKrafft>：那麼這是否就是我們如今所知的家族構造起源的地方——是“光之家族”的副產物？
[20:26] <●Sunette> RandyKrafft – no ,the concept of family came waaaayyyyy before that, already with all the races established in the dimensions before humans/earth
<●Sunette>：RandyKrafft，不是的，家族觀念的出現遠遠遠遠在那之前，在人類/地球存在以前，在維度界中已經確立起的所有族群中就已經有家族觀念了。
[20:26] <▲Bernard Poolman1> families of light were n beings of likeness --where like attratcts like –like the ultimate ego boost to meet more versions of yourself yet being uniqiue
<▲Bernard Poolman>：光之家族是一些相似的存有——物以類聚，人以群分——這就好像對臆構自我（ego）的終極推升，你遇見更多版本的你自己，然而還是保持獨特的。
[20:27] <DavidDuncan> so we've always been about only chasing a high and wanting to be in a safe place ,only ever looking out for ourselves and following self-interest -not really ever considering the experience of anything or any one else no matter what the suffering - it's just self-interest ,self-interest, self-interest
<DavidDuncan>：我們一直都是在追尋快感，想要處於一個安全的地方，永遠只是在尋求我們自己，遵從著自私自利，從來都沒有真正考慮過任何人或事物的經歷，無論他們處於怎樣的苦痛中——就只是自私自利，自私自利，自私自利
[20:27] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes--it has always only been self interest --seeking eternal life
<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，一直都只是自私自利——尋求永恆生命
[20:28] <AnnaBrixThomsen> Sunette, so no family of light while on earth or in between incarnations as described by Michael Newton?
<AnnaBrixThomsen>：Sunette，那麼不存在如邁克爾牛頓所描述的在地球上或在輪迴轉世之間的光之家族了？
（譯注：這個牛頓不是我們熟知的那個著名科學家。）
[20:29] <●Sunette> No Anna - on earth you had group souls and family of light in the context of your family/relationships/religions/spirituality as group of definitions you belonged to - and no in-between with reincarnations, once you got out, you were immediately processed back into reincarnation when/as it was decided for you to return
<●Sunette>：Anna，在地球上存在著靈魂群體和光之家族，這是從如下方面說的：你的家族/關係/宗教/靈性，那個你隸屬於的，特定定義的團體；而在每一世之間的間隙則不存在那些，一旦你從地球人生中離開了，當它（天堂）決定了你需要回到地球時，你就會立即的被處理，送回到輪迴轉世中。
[20:28] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the families of light described in the newton books were presented by the dimensions in the LIGHT they want you to see it
<▲Bernard Poolman>：在牛頓的書中所描述的光之家族，是由處於光之中的維度界呈現的，是他們（*造物者）想要你看到的。
（轉貼備註：可能是指 靈魂之旅 這本書）
[20:29] <●Sunette> Okay - let's continue with a recap:
<●Sunette>：好的，我們繼續做個概括：
[20:30] <●Sunette> This state of high energy-vibration would then be called ?Love?. The nice thingabout this ensoulment process was that, the energy were harvested but the memories were separated from the being at death, and therefore the being would not remember eventually what happened on earth as they would be ? through the directed messages on earth,focused on the ideal of eternal-life.
<●Sunette>：這種高能量振動狀態就會被稱為“愛”。在這個賦予靈魂的過程中一件巧妙的事是，存有的能量被收割走了，但當此存有死亡時，記憶卻與他分離開了，因此這個存有最終不會記起在地球上發生了什麼，因為他們會通過在地球上受控的消息而專注于永恆生命的理念上。
[20:30] <●Sunette> And, the separation of reality and energy / physicality and energy / system and energy would already happen on earth through the creation of energetic consciousness, where the energy-body would be the soul that would go through a process of emotional/feeling purification to establish whether the soul s alignment would be heaven or hell.
<●Sunette>：而且，現實與能量/肉體與能量/系統與能量的分離已經在地球上通過創造能量性質的意識發生了，其中能量身體是靈魂，這靈魂會經歷一個情緒/感覺淨化過程，以確定這個靈魂是對齊於天堂還是地獄。
[20:30] <●Sunette> And the memories would mostly be left in the physical-body with some of it , magnetically recorded to be stored for study in the Akashic Record.This stored life as memories is very similar to the storage of a movie on a DVD. All the physical technology that exist today, was first used as the technology of the soul.
<●Sunette>：（*死後）記憶大部分都會被留在物質身體之中，其中的一部分會通過磁性記錄儲存在阿卡西記錄中用於研究。這儲存為記憶的生命與在DVD上儲存電影非常相似。如今存在著的物質科技以前首先是被用作靈魂的科技。
[20:31] <●Sunette> lol - so, we literally externalized our evolution into machines
<●Sunette>：哈哈，因此我們實質上外顯化了我們的進化為機器。
[20:31] <mikelammers> And the memories would mostly be left in the physical-body?
<mikelammers>：（*人死後）記憶大多被留在物質身體中？
[20:32] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes mikelammers--thhe amount of memories created in every moment were too much for recording
<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，mikelammers，在每一刻產生的記憶的數量太多而無法記錄。
[20:32] <●Sunette> mikelammers - yes,only the memories that can be used that was imprinted enough with energy and the being's relationship towards the memories would be taken with the soul into the Akashic Records to be re-used for the programming of their next life / other lives
<●Sunette>：mikelammers，是的，被能量以及存有們對於記憶的關係，所充分的銘印了的，有利用之處的記憶，才會由靈魂帶進入到阿卡西記錄中，再被重新用於編程他們的下一生/其它生世。
[20:32] <▲Bernard Poolman1> thus—it was contextualize to the essence of the relavant goal --which were energy production to keep heaven blissfull
<▲Bernard Poolman>：因此， — 以上是在脈落化（天堂的）重要目標的本質 — 也就是生產能量以維持天堂處於極樂狀態
[20:32] <Joana> what about the bodies? Or we are talking only energy-body as a vibration, before the human body was invented?
<Joana>：身體又如何呢？我們只是在談論在人類身體被發明以前以振動形式存在的能量身體嗎？
[20:33] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the human form did not exist before earth
▲Bernard Poolman：人類形態在地球存在以前不存在。
[20:34] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the human form was designed as symbols and the attraction is preprogrammed--just like animals will respond to their form --the form is really irreleavnt in it all
<▲Bernard Poolman>：人類形態的設計等同符號，而吸引力是被預先編程的，就像動物會對它們的形態做出回應一樣——形態在這一切之中真的無關緊要。
[20:34] <●Sunette> Joana - 'energy body' is the 'body' that was created as the relationship between the being and the mind that create/manifest consciousness - self as an 'energy body/being' as 'what one exist as / become' with one's relationship with the mind
<●Sunette>：Joana，“能量身體”被創造成為此存有與其心智之間的關係（這關係創造/顯現意識）——作為“能量身體/存有”的自己是，你在與你的心智的關係中“所是/所成為的”事物。
[20:34] <Manuela> so what consituted'useful' memories Sunette - that would be selected for the akashic records?
<Manuela>：Sunette，什麼構成了“有用的”記憶——那些可以被阿卡西記錄選用的記憶？
[20:35] <●Sunette> Manuela – memories that can be used to re-programme events/experiences or enough energy to stimulate the mind and produce more energy for heaven
<●Sunette>：Manuela，那些記憶能被用於重新編程事件/經驗，或有足夠的能量用於刺激心智而為天堂產生更多能量。
[20:35] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the whole energy/soul thing was similar to the capitalistic system --if you had the energy/momeny --you went to heaven
<▲Bernard Poolman>：整個能量/靈魂這套東西與資本主義制度非常相似——如果你有能量/金錢，你會去天堂。
[20:36] <●Sunette> Yes, so - if you worked hard enough through the mind and accumulate lots of energyfor heaven - you will be rewarded / if you work hard enough in the system and accumulate money for the banks - you will be rewarded
<●Sunette>：是的，因此如果你透過你的心智足夠努力地工作並為天堂累積大量的能量，那麼你就會得到獎賞；如果你在體制中足夠努力地工作並為銀行累積大量的金錢，那麼你就會得到獎賞。
[20:36] <▲Bernard Poolman1> People that claim to see past lives only see very partly and it is always to serve self interest
<▲Bernard Poolman>：那些聲稱能看到前世的人只看到非常片面的一部分，而且那總是服務於個人利益。
[20:37] <▲Bernard Poolman1> there will be extensive interviews on this coming
▲Bernard Poolman：：將會有大量的視頻訪談討論這些。
[20:38] <▲Bernard Poolman1> it is extensive to explain it all
▲Bernard Poolman：：解釋這一切的量極大。
[20:36] <kim__A> so literally all the rich people from earth went to heaven?
<kim__A>：那麼幾乎地球上所有的有錢人都去了天堂？
[20:38] <●Sunette> kim_A - all the elite, like money system elite/world system elite came through from bloodlines and was always protected in heaven and on earth
<●Sunette>：Kim_A，所有的精英，如金錢系統精英/世界系統精英，他們全都來自那些在天堂中和在地球上都總是受到保護的那些血脈。
[20:38] <●Sunette> Okay – Next points:
<●Sunette>：好的，接下來的一些點：
[20:38] <●Sunette> The idea that was sold, was that if you remain loyal to the Light and God, you will achieve a form of equality through a life of bliss and love and light in heaven with your family of light.
<●Sunette>：當時被兜售的觀念是什麼？——如果你對光和神保持忠誠，那麼你就會在天堂中與你的光之家族通過極樂、愛和光的一生達到某種形式的平等。
[20:38] <●Sunette> To achieve this the information necessary to direct the Mind to for men souled-consciousness was channelled through forms of structured-knowledge like writing and the placement of specific-masters that would assist the human in their focused-attention, to focus the energy in creating a stable energy-body as there were many mansions/dimensions necessary to be filled, as there could not be just one dimension within the context polarity.
<●Sunette>：為了達到這些目的，需要有必要的資訊來指揮心智以便形成賦予了靈魂的意識，這些資訊的傳輸是通過結構化的知識如書寫品，以及安置特定的大師來協助人類將注意力專注於能量上，以創造一個穩定的能量身體，因為當時存在著如此多的天庭/位面需要得到滿足——因為在兩極性這個情境之中不可能只有一個維度。
[20:39] <mikelammers> there were many mansions/dimensions necessary to be filled sounds like product ranges
<mikelammers>：“當時存在著如此多的天庭/維度需要得到滿足”——聽起來好像商品區
[20:40] <▲Bernard Poolman1>yes--heavenly walmart to satisfy all desires --like in Islam theypromise the virgins
<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，天堂沃爾瑪超市滿足所有欲望——例如在伊斯蘭他們許諾處女。
[20:40] <AntonF> yes b, 72 of them with eternal erection.
<AntonF>：是的，Bernard，他們被許諾有72個處女而且永遠堅硬。
[20:44] <●Sunette> AntonF - no, in Heaven did not see anything like that - there were lots of sexualized heavens - but, not one like that or not a large one, if beings did create heavens of their religions, they would do it themselves and be trapped in there themselves - the largest heavens was God, with Angels
<●Sunette>：AntonF，沒有，在天堂中沒看到過那樣的場景——確實是有許多性化的天堂，但沒有像那樣的，或者沒有那樣一個很大的天堂。如果存有們確實創造了他們所屬宗教的天堂，他們可以自己那樣做，並被自己囚困在那裡。曾經最大的天堂是神，帶有天使。
[20:40] <●Sunette> So - what the above paragraph entails is how, for example religions and spiritualities and the variations of that was placed in this world - to channel the beings' mind/focus to produce specific substances of energy /ensure a constant stream of energy creation as they are focused into/as one system
<●Sunette>：上面那段（指[20:38]那段）表明的是：宗教和靈性及其各種各樣的變體是如何被安置於這個世界中，用以將人們的心智/注意力傳導至生產特定的能量質/保障能量流的持續創造上，而人們則在其中專注成了一個系統。
[20:41] <●Sunette> There would be many different approaches by masters that would create different formsor ideas of consciousness, one using yoga, one using meditation,one using Breatharian ideas, one using Islam, one using Christianity and then many variations of this.
<●Sunette>：那些大師們採用的方法有許多，由此製造出意識的許多不同形式或觀念，例如一個大師可能會用瑜珈，一個用冥想，一個用辟穀觀念，一個用伊斯蘭教，一個用基督教，還有許許多多變體。
[20:41] <Joana> Sunette, in many religious places there is always some kind of miracle - how is that connected with the energy?
<Joana>：Sunette，在許多宗教場所中總是有某種奇蹟，這是如何與能量聯繫起來的？
[20:42] <▲Bernard Poolman1> Miracles focus the attention of the mind system to produce specific types of energy
<▲Bernard Poolman>：奇蹟將心智系統的注意力集中於生產特定類型的能量。
[20:42] <●Sunette> Joana - that we will explain in interviews to come
<●Sunette>：Joana，這些我們會在將來的視頻訪談中解釋。
[20:41] <Manuela> Sunette - so attention was the main aspect and that was "produced" through specific activities
<Manuela>：Sunette，注意力是主要的方面，而這是通過特定的活動“產生”的？
[20:42] <●Sunette> Manuela – energy was the main goal, and that was produced through channeling theirattention into/as particular specific 'activities' / 'religions' /'spiritualities' / 'life experiences' to ensure the being remainstable/constant into/towards a particular part of this reality to always produce energy
<●Sunette>：Manuela，能量才是主要的目的，而這是通過將他們的注意力傳導到特定的具體“活動”/“宗教”/“靈性”/“生命體驗”上，以確保存有們保持「穩定/恒定地」「進入/成為」這個現實的一個特定部分，以便總是生產能量。
[20:43] <TimGormley> Sunette, would heaven have eventually ran out of energy producers if every one would have been placed in heaven or hell, or would they find newenergy producers in the universe?
<TimGormley>：Sunette，如果每個人都已經被安置于天堂或者地獄之中，那麼天堂最終不會已經用光了能量生產者嗎？還是他們會在宇宙中尋找新的能量生產者？
[20:43] <▲Bernard Poolman1> tim—new beings were created constantly--there was a ready supply
<▲Bernard Poolman>：tim，新的存有們被持續不斷地創造出來，因此隨時都有供應。
[20:45] <●Sunette> TimGormley – yes ,earth was their primary production house, so - they obviouslty ensured that there's always sufficient beings on earth
<●Sunette>：TmGormley，是的，地球曾是他們的主要生產工廠，因此顯然他們會確保在地球上總是有足夠的人生產能量。
[20:44] <Manuela> a ready supply Bernard Poolman1 ?
<Manuela>：隨時供應？ Bernard
[20:44] <▲Bernard Poolman1> yes—just like you think an idea into BEING
<▲Bernard Poolman>：是的，就像你通過思考將一個觀念帶入到存在中一樣。
[20:45] <Manuela> dang - though my ideas are always "revised" because the physical rules
<Manuela>：可是我的觀念總是由於物理規律而被“修正”。
[20:45] <▲Bernard Poolman1> revised ideas were sevaral BEINGS
<▲Bernard Poolman>：修正了的那些觀念是幾個不同的存在者/存有。
[20:45] <▲Bernard Poolman1> as the BEINGS group it becomes an antity and when you choose your idea –a possession
▲Bernard Poolman：隨著這些存有們結集成群，它成為一個實體，而如果你選擇你的觀念，就會導致受支配著魔。
[20:45] <MattiFreeman> so after the white light was removed, as a lightworker with fluctuating motivation, various spiritual paths opened up with different activities and opportunities, like a fresh approach that would support me in generating energy when I would start to lose motivation -- what continued to direct these?
<MattiFreeman>：在白光被移除後，作為一個有著波動起伏動力的光之工作者，有各種不同活動和機會的各種靈性道路打開了，就好像是出現了一個可以在我開始失去動力時支持我產生能量的全新方式，那麼是什麼繼續在指揮這一切？
[20:46] <●Sunette> MattiFreeman – you did, remember, everything was automated in the mind/physical world through the mind/consciousness and so your mind would also go into defence/protection mode to protect/defend itself
<●Sunette>：MattiFreeman，是你自己，要記住，在心智/物質世界當中，一切都透過心智/意識而被自動化了，因此你的心智也會進入防禦/保衛模式來保護/防衛它自己。
[20:46] <▲Bernard Poolman1> there were only one planet of sound LEFT
▲Bernard Poolman：源於聲的行星只剩下最後一個
[20:46] <▲Bernard Poolman1> the rest have been consumed by self interest
▲Bernard Poolman：其餘的已經被自私自利消耗殆盡了
[20:46] <AnnaBrixThomsen> earth
<AnnaBrixThomsen>：是指地球
[20:46] <WeiWu> not all planets are of sound?
<WeiWu>：不是所有的行星都來源於聲？
[20:47] <▲Bernard Poolman1> not in the same contex weiwu
<▲Bernard Poolman>：不是在同一個語境下說的，weiwu
[20:47] <●Sunette> Okay – next points:
<●Sunette>：接下來的一些點：
[20:47] <●Sunette> There would be many different approaches by masters that would create different forms or ideas of consciousness, one using yoga, one usingmeditation, one using Breatharian ideas, one using Islam, one using Christianity and then many variations of this.
<●Sunette>：那些大師們採用的方法有許多，由此製造出意識的許多不同形式或觀念，例如一個大師可能會用瑜珈，一個用冥想，一個用辟穀觀念，一個用伊斯蘭教，一個用基督教，還有許許多多變體。
[20:47] <●Sunette> Through this forming groups that will eventually form part and parcel of the construction of an energy-dimension in heaven, where the Family of Light ? that means those that has similar image and likeness as soul-energy; would be together to experience a form of oneness and that that togetherness of oneness as a concentration of energy : would enhance the bliss and love experience as more and more of them get together.
<●Sunette>：由此形成一些群體，這些群體最終會形成用於建構天堂中的某個能量維度空間的組成部分，而光之家族（這是指那些作為靈魂能量具有相似的形象和行象的存有們）就會聚到一起體驗某種形式的一體體驗，而隨著越來越多的成員加入，那種在一起的一體作為一種集中了的能量就會增強那種極樂和愛的體驗。
[20:48] <Manuela> so equality never existed anywhere as manifestiation of life ▲Bernard Poolman1 ?
<Manuela>：那麼等同生命的實質化的平等，從來都沒有在任何地方存在過，是這樣嗎，Bernard?
[20:48] <▲Bernard Poolman1> no manuela
▲Bernard Poolman：：是沒有存在過，Manuela。
[20:48] <●Sunette> As you can notice the planned-deception was near perfect and thus very difficult to see through.
<●Sunette>：正如你們會注意到的，這有計劃的欺騙幾乎完美無暇，因此非常難以看穿。
[20:48] <●Sunette> For it all to work effectively, all the humans had to be convinced that the realm of earth/physicality is actually an illusion; while the realm of the soul is the true reality. This was achieved with extra-ordinary success. As the whole concept of the soul was only possible through focused self-interest with the objective to create, for oneself an eternal-body through which you could experience yourself in a high vibration forever.
<●Sunette>：為了使這一切有效運作，必須使所有人類都相信：地球/物質世界的境域實際上是幻覺，而靈魂的境域是真正的現實。這取得了非凡的成就。因為這整套靈魂的觀念之所以成為可能，只有通過專注於自我利益——目標是為你自己創造一個永恆的身體，借此你可以在一個高振動頻率中永遠體驗你自己。
[20:49] <●Sunette> Obviously all the souls missed one critical point: they did not realise that this eternal life? was not really eternal, it was subject to a constant stream of energy and therefore reincarnation had to continue for eternity or as long as a planet would survive or the energy would run out. You can see here, where consumerism came from ? long before it was established on earth and where the era of oil and energy came from.
<●Sunette>：顯然，所有靈魂都忽略了的一個關鍵要點是：他們沒有認識到這“永恆生命”並非真正是永恆的，它依賴於一個持續的能量流，因此輪迴轉世必須得永遠繼續下去或者行星得能繼續存活下去，否則能量就會用光。你在這裡可以看到消費主義/消耗主義是來自哪裡了嗎？遠遠在其出現在地球上（石油和能源時代）之前，消費主義就已經存在了！
[20:49] <●Sunette> How heaven consumed the energy of the physical - how we consume the energy of the earth
天堂如何消耗了物質世界的能量 — 等於 — 我們如何消耗地球的能量。
[20:50] <▲Bernard Poolman1> as above so below
▲Bernard Poolman：天上如此，地上也如此。
[20:50] <▲Bernard Poolman1> as below so above
▲Bernard Poolman：地上如此，天上也如此。
[20:50] <▲Bernard Poolman1> all the answers is on earth
▲Bernard Poolman：所有的答案都在地球上。
[20:51] <●Sunette> We'll be walking a Series on this as well that will be available soon
<●Sunette>：我們對此還將會有一個系列視頻訪談一步步講解，這些訪談不久就會出現。
