官網標題：對造翼者資料的看法
PERSPECTIVES ON THE WINGMAKERS
英文原文官網連結：
https://desteni.org/desteni-material/blog/perspectives-wingmakers
*譯註：
Desteni對造翼者資料（wingmakers）的一篇文章發表了一些回應
該文章名稱為：2008年卡米洛特網站對james的訪談
文章連結（連結如果壞掉請自行按照文章名稱google）：
https://www.wingmakers.com.cn/about.html?id=19
（james mahu詹姆斯馬胡為造翼者資料的作者）
正文：
WingMakers Perspective: Question 2, Quote 1
對造翼者資料的看法：問題2，引用1
by Sunette/Dimensions - Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:27 pm
作者： sunette/維度存有 – 2009/2/16
Quote:“If you feel any of this, you may not be prepared to confront these realities.”
引用：如果你有任何這樣的感受（*恐懼/驚慌），你也許還沒準備好面對這些現實
Desteni Perspective:
Desteni的看法：
Understand that it’s not about being prepared or not.
要理解這與（*你）是否已經準備好了無關
We’ve found that, with regards to ‘preparation’ – everyone is waiting to be prepared, or waiting to be ready, waiting for themselves to prepared, waiting for themselves to be ready, from the perspective of defining/determining their ‘readiness’ in facing themselves, the truth of themselves, according to preparation itself.
我們發現到，關於「準備」 - 每一個人都在等待著準備好了，或是等待著準備完成，等待著他們自己準備好了，等待著他們自己準備完成。
以定義/界定出他們的「準備狀態」為出發點，在面對他們自己、他們自己的真相時，依賴著準備狀態本身。
Then within this, ‘preparation/being prepared’ becomes an excuse not to face self, or rather an excuse in the attempt not to face self, because one delude oneself with ‘preparation/being prepared’ within attempting to postpone/wait for as long as you keep accepting/allowing such an excuse – to face self.
Believing that ‘time-itself’ as ‘sequential-outflow of events already manifested as consequences in reality to be faced by self’ – will ‘wait for you to decide when/whether you’ll be ready/prepared’.
接著這個「準備狀態/還在準備」被用來當做不去面對自己的一種藉口，或是一種在試圖不去面對自己時的一種藉口。
因為人們使用「準備狀態/還在準備」來蒙蔽自己，持續接納並容許著這種藉口，試圖拖延與延後 – 面對自己。
相信著「時間本身」即「被自己面臨著的，已經在這個現實當中顯化出來，等同於後果的連續發生的事件」 - 將會「等待著你去決定何時或是能否 - 準備好/準備完成」
Understand that, reality, the physical, the manifested consequence as experiences already here or to play-out to be experienced as events already created for self to be faced as what each one’s done in deception and dishonesty towards self and others as self – will not and is not ‘waiting for you’ – reality, the physical as manifested consequential events/experiences already created is already manifesting to be experienced, already playing-out, in movement as sequential-outflows and you’ll inevitably come to the Point of facing you as it – whether prepared/not, whether ready or not.
要理解，現實，物質界，已經顯化的後果：「即已經在此處的體驗，或是即將發生並且將被體驗到的，已經為自身被創造出來要去面對的事件們。」「即每一個人在面向自己還有等同於自己的其他人時，在欺騙與不誠實當中所做的一切。」- 將不會並且沒有在「等待著你」- 現實，物質界，如同顯化的後果性的事件及體驗們，已經被創造出來了，是已經顯化並被體驗著，已經在發生當中，在於動態的連續性的後果事件（outflows）當中，而且你將會不可避免的走到一個必須面對你自己（*即你所創造的後果）的階段 – 無論準備好了沒，無論是否準備完成。
So, it’s not about being prepared or ready – but who you are/will be in the moment of facing yourself as the manifested consequence you created due to who you were, accepted and allowed in the Past.
所以，這（*重點）不是關於去做好準備或是準備完成 – 而是關於在你面對：「你自己，即你在過去經由被你接納並容許（*自己去成為的）所是者，所創造出的已經顯化的後果」時，在那一刻「你是誰」，或是你將要作為的人。
For example: When a car comes at you directly while driving – there’s no ‘time’ to prepare or excuse to use such as ‘I must first be prepared/ready to face this’ – you’re going to face the experience, whether prepared or not – the outcome of your experience within that situation is determined acc. to you, who you are in that moment of facing the situation – not because you were ready or not ready.
So also with regards to, you facing consequence.
Thus, it’s about who you are as you stand within/before yourself = thus, it’s not determined according to readiness or preparation – but who you are/decide to be in the moment, every moment here.
例如：當一輛汽車在駕駛時直接向您駛來時– 沒有「時間」來準備或使用諸如「我必須先做好準備才能面對這個」之類的藉口– 你將面對這種經歷，無論是否已經準備好 - 你在這種情況下的經歷的結果是取決於在面對這種情況的那一刻「你是誰」 - 而不是取決於你準備好了或沒有準備好。同樣的，無論如何你都將面臨後果。
因此，這是關於當你站在自己之內/面前時「你是誰」 = 因此，這（*後果）不是由準備狀態所主導 - 而是取決於在瞬間當中，在此處的每一刻當中「你是誰」「你決定作為誰」。
So, you cannot ‘wait to be ready’, cannot wait for yourself to be prepared – because you as what you’ve created in and as the physical-reality as consequence that is you as your creation that you as creator created – is not waiting for you, and will not wait for you – it’ll be here as you to be faced.
所以，你不能“等待準備好”，不能等待自己做好準備 – 因為你在物質現實當中所創造並且等於這物質界的後果，是你作為創造者去創造出來的造物，
沒有正在等你，也不會等待你 - 它將會在這裡作為你，令你面對。
（譯註：創造者等於被創造物）
So, we suggest, instead of waiting within the excuse of first wanting to be Prepared, which is simply making the statement of waiting for yourself, that is here already and thus implying no self-trust – walk here in every moment of breath, self honestly – even within for example as you read through/go through this document in assisting and supporting you, to face you as you face the reactions that rise/manifest within you as thoughts, emotions and feelings and not accept/allow the mind to dictate/direct what you read, nor to dictate/direct you as you read – but to breathe and simply not accept/allow self to participate in thoughts/reactions – but simply hearing here unconditionally and see for yourself, yourself – which is not ‘pretty/beautiful’ – but must/will be faced inevitably to stop what we’ve done and become to ourselves and others and all else that exist as ourselves.
所以，我們建議，不要以要先做好準備為藉口進行等待，那只是單純的表明了是在等待自己，而自己早已經在這裡了，因此代表了自我信任的缺乏 - （*我們建議）在每一個呼吸的時刻走在這裡，自我誠實地 - 例如，即使在您閱讀/瀏覽本文件以幫助和支持您時，去面對你自己，去面對在你之內升起或顯化的那些思想、情緒與感覺，並且不要接納並容許心智去支配或主導你所閱讀的、還有支配或主導正在閱讀的你 – 而是去呼吸並且簡單的不去接納並容許自己參與在思維與反應當中 – 在此處無條件的傾聽並且為你自己去看清，你本身 – 那並不漂亮或美麗 – 最終無可避免的必須與將會被面對，以去停止我們所成為的、還有我們對「我們自己及其他存有，還有其他作為我們本身而存在的一切萬有」所做出的一切。
So, face you as you see/hear/read – face you as you walk in every moment here as breath – and realise: You determine you in every moment of breath – don’t be lost within the excuse of time as waiting for yourself to be prepared, waiting for yourself to be ready, as you’ll only prolong your own process.
所以，當你看/聽/閱讀時，面對你自己 - 作為呼吸在每一刻的這裡前行時，面對你自己 – 並且去覺察到：是「你」在每一個呼吸的時刻決定了「你」 - 不要迷失在時間藉口當中，等待著你自己做好準備，等待自己準備完成，因為那樣你只會延長自己的進程。
Yes – you can ‘prepare you effectively’ from the perspective of assisting and supporting you to ‘walk through and face’ the inevitable consequences of already-manifested accepted and allowed past-actions of dishonesty and deception towards you and others as you in thought, word and deed:
沒錯 – 你是可以「有效的準備你自己」從如下的角度：協助與支援你去「走過與面對」已經顯化的無可避免的後果，其來自於，那被你在思、言、行為當中，接納並容許的，面向著你自己及等同你的其他人的，不誠實與欺騙的過去的行為，
But this is not ‘you waiting for yourself to be prepared’ from the perspective of using this ‘waiting to be prepared’ as an excuse in attempt to postpone/wait for the inevitable.
但是這不是要你去「等待著你自己準備好」，以這樣的角度：把「等待著準備好」當作一種藉口，去嘗試推遲與延後那無可避免的。
This is you actively self-directing you in preparation as self-assistance and self-support as ‘who you are’ – therefore, it’s about ‘who you are’ and ‘preparation’ becomes an act of you assisting and supporting you directly = and not of ‘waiting’.
這是要你積極的自我主導你自己，在等同自我協助與自我支援，等同「你是誰」，的準備當中 - 因此，這是關於「你是誰」，而「準備」變成一種你直接的協助與支援你自己的行動 ＝ 並且不屬於「等待」
Therefore also – realise, you always ‘confront yourself’ – you as all that which you’ve separated yourself from or created and manifested in separation of you as your creation: Will ‘confront you’ – so you can face you, amalgamate you with yourself – to within this amalgamation, stand one and equal with yourself as all that exist as you.
因此，也要覺察到，你一直都是在「面對著你自己的」 - 所有等同於你的，你將其與自己分離的，或是在與自己的分離當中所創造與顯化出來的，你的造物：將會「迫你面對」 - 所以你可以面對你自己，將你自己與自己融合 – 讓你與存在等同於你的一切萬有，站處於平等同一當中。
WingMakers Perspective: Question 2, Quote 2
對造翼者資料的看法：問題 2，引用 2
by Sunette/Dimensions - Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:31 pm
作者：Sunette/維度界存有們 - 2009 年 2 月 16 日
Quote James:
引用James（詹姆斯）的話：
“The Secret Framework for the Suppression of the Sovereign Integral”
“壓制主權整合體的秘密框架”
（譯注：主權整合體在wingmakers泛指移除了心智系統的存有體）
Desteni Perspective:
Desteni的看法：
I understand why the ‘term’ ‘Secret Framework’, emphasis being on the word ‘Secret’, is utilized, however – I wouldn’t see it within a literal context of being ‘Secret’.
我理解為什麼使用“秘密框架”這個“術語”，強調了“秘密”這個詞。但是 -我是不會將“秘密”作為大背景看待它（*心智意識系統）。
Here James refer to ‘The Secret Framework for the Suppression of the Sovereign Integral’ as it being the Mind Consciousness System or as he (James) refers to it as, the Human Mind System.
在這裡，詹姆斯提及了「壓制主權整合體的秘密框架」，這指的是心智意識系統（MCS）。或是說人類心智系統（HMS），這是他（詹姆斯）對其之稱呼。
The Mind has always been Obvious within its manifested existence within and as us – thoughts, reactions as emotions and feelings, pictures and memories as ‘objects and experiences’ existent within and as us within and as which we participate, though we’ve become and are the Mind to such an extent – we do not see ourselves, even as we exist as the Mind itself due to our level of acceptance of ourselves as it: We miss the Obvious, because it’s so obvious, almost ‘too obvious’ – to the extent where it’s missed.
在我們之內並作為我們的心智的顯化存在，始終是顯而易見的 - 思想、作為情緒和感受的反應、圖像和記憶，作為「對象和經驗」，存在於我們之內並等同於我們，我們參與在其之中並且等同於其。然而我們已經成為並且作為心智到了這樣的程度 - 我們看不到自己，即使是因為我們自己對於成為心智的接納程度致使了我們作為心智本身而存在：我們錯過了顯而易見的事物，因為它是如此的明顯，幾乎是“太明顯了”，到了它被忽略的程度。
Therefore, nothing of the Mind/Mind Consciousness System or of ourselves that we’ll be discussing as we continue, has/ever been a ‘Secret’ – it’s always been Here as ourselves as what and through which we exist.
因此，我們將繼續討論的心智/心智意識系統或我們自己的一切，從來都不是「秘密」- 它一直都在這裡作為我們，我們作為並且透過它而存在
But we’ve been oblivious to the obviousness of it all due to our Nature of always living/existing/projecting ourselves ‘out there’ in separation of ourselves according to what our eyes see there and our ears here FROM THERE – intertwined within knowledge and information we receive from there and the reflection of ourselves we interpret as the pictures we see with our human physical eyes from there, outside of ourselves that we’ve simply ‘accepted’ as is – without question.
但我們忽略了這一切的顯而易見性，因為我們的本性總是使我們自己活在/存在/被投射在“外在某處”，在與我們自己的分離中。拿取了我們的眼睛在外在某處看見的，及我們的耳朵在外在某處所聽見的 – 混合了我們從外在某處所接納到的知識與資訊，及我們自己本身的反照，那我們將之詮釋成了我們用人類身體的眼睛在外在某處、在我們之外所看見的圖像，其被我們簡單的按現況接納了 – 毫無質疑。
（譯註：人類所見的圖像現實為他們內在本性的反照物reflection。）
So, one of the Primary reasons why we’ve missed the obvious, is due to ‘blind acceptance’ and conditioning/defining ourselves to and as such acceptances, ‘that we accepted blindly’ – and within the conditioning/defining ourselves according to/as that which we accept blindly – we become/live the acceptances to such an extent, that we miss the obvious that is Here.
因此，我們錯過了顯而易見的事物的主要原因之一是由於「盲目接納」，和制約/定義了我們自己去作為如此的接納形式，即「我們盲目接納」 - 並且因著我們用被我們盲目接納的事物去制約/定義我們自己 - 我們成為/活出了那種接納形式，到了如此的一種程度，導致我們忽略了就在這裡的顯而易見的事物。
And this you will find for yourself as we continue, it actually, from a certain perspective, being so obvious and simple at the same time, that you’d wonder why you haven’t considered/questioned it before: Due to Acceptance and the allowance of trusting everything else but yourself in Common Sense self honesty here. Trusting the ‘acceptances’, trusting that which you’ve ‘blindly accepted’, trusting how you’ve defined yourself as such acceptances and trusting how you accordingly exist as those acceptances: Instead of trusting you here as self-honest common sense.
當我們繼續下去時，你會自己發現這一點，實際上，從某個角度來看，它是如此的明顯又單純，使你會納悶為什麼你之前沒有考慮過或質疑過它（*心智）：而那是由於（你）接納與容許（自己）去信任了一切事物，除了在自我誠實的普同常識中的此處的自己。
信任了那「接納」，信任了那你盲目接納的事物，信任了你如何的相應的作為了那些接納而存在：而不是信任在此處作為自我誠實的普同常識的自己。
For example with thoughts: We’ve simply ‘blindly accepted’ ‘thoughts’ and within the acceptance of thoughts, we’ve conditioned and defined ourselves as thoughts, and within the conditioning and defining ourselves as thoughts, we’ve begun to trust the thoughts and within the trust placed in thoughts, become the thoughts and started actually living the thoughts as though it is ‘who we are’. And within this, we’ve become our thoughts to such an extent – that we have full-blown conversations with manifested thought-constructs of Mind within ourselves.
以思想為例：我們只是“盲目地接納”“思想”，在對於思想的接納當中，我們將自己制約和定義為思想，而在將自己制約和定義為思想的過程中，我們開始信任思想，並在對思想的信任中，成為了思想，並開始實際的作為思想活著，就好像它是「我們本是者」一樣。在這之中，我們化身成了思想，已經達到了這樣的程度 - 我們與自己內在心智當中顯化的思想結構進行了完整的對話。
Never questioning the Obvious:
（*我們）從來沒有質疑過那顯而易見的：
If I am Here, communicating in/as expression of word as sound through and as my human physical body – why is there another Voice coming from inside Me?
如果我就在這裡，作為與透過我的人類身體以言詞表達來做溝通 – 那為什麼會有另一個聲音從我內在傳來？
Who or what is talking to me?
是誰或是什麼東西在跟我說話？
Why am I talking to myself or speaking to myself in thoughts, reasoning with myself in my head?
為什麼我要對自己說話，或是在思想中自言自語，在頭腦中與自己溝通？
Why are there pictures coming up inside my head – when the Physical is right here as that which I see with my Human Physical Eyes.
為什麼我的腦海裡會出現一些畫面 - 當物質界就在這裡，就如我用人類肉眼看到的那樣。
Why are memories perpetuating itself inside my head – when the past is done, and I am Here?
為什麼記憶會在我的腦海中存儲 - 當過去已然了結，且我是處在當下？
See: The acceptance of thought is so accepted, that it’s become ‘normal’, the acceptance of thought being normal has become so much part of self, as self = that it’s not questioned, from the perspective of: If I’m here – who/what’s the Voice in My Head, why is there a Voice in my Head?
看：對思想之接納的程度是如此之高了，以至於它成了“常態”，對於思維是常態的這種接納已經如此的成為自己的一部分，作為了自己 = 使其不會受到質疑，從以下的這種角度：如果我就在這裡 –那我腦子裡的聲音是誰/是什麼，為什麼我腦子裡有個聲音？
In this, Trust has been manifested within that which we’ve blindly accepted, such as for example thoughts as separate manifested ‘objects’ in our head with which we have conversations and actually trust to make decisions for us = instead of living self-trust, instead of living Here in the moment in absolute directive principled expression – trusting self-common sense insight and perspective = and because we haven’t lived – the Obvious is Missed.
在這一點上，信任已經被顯化在我們盲目接納的事物中，例如，思想如同那我們頭腦內顯現的分離的“對象”，我們與之對話並實際上信任它替我們做出決定 = 而沒有活在自我信任當中，而沒有活在絕對的主導原則表現中，活在此處的瞬間 - 信任自身的普同常識的洞察和觀點 = 並且因為我們還沒有活出那些 - 顯而易見的事物就被錯失了。
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Bernard Perspective （1）Wed May 13, 2009 6:48 pm
伯納德的看法（1）2009 年 5 月 13 日
Wingmakers indicate a events context we found that confirm certain points within the history of our existence
造翼者提出了我們所發現到的一些事件背景，證實了我們存在歷史中的某些點
we will do videos
我們會做視頻
wingmakers could not have known about Desteni--and did the best they could with what they had-- but did so as a group in isolation -- not aware of what was actually going on
造翼者在過去不可能知道desteni - 並且用他們所擁有的盡了最大的努力 - 但是是作為一個孤立的團體去做的 - 不知道實際上發生了什麼
Bernard Perspective （2） Wed May 13, 2009 10:09 pm
伯納德的看法（2）2009 年 5 月 13 日
Like I said
就像我說的
we will share what we found
我們將分享我們的發現
we have discussed this with the beings that call themselves the wingmakers
我們已經與自稱為造翼者的存有們討論過這個了
some are incarnated
他們有一些投胎了
some are in the dimensional process
有一些處於維度界的進程當中
they were om there own mission to try and counter Anu and those in multi structures with Anu
他們過去執行著自己的行動，試圖對抗阿努以及與阿努同處於多重結構中的存有們
they were beings that escaped the enslavement of existence==as we indicated --there were beings that escaped
他們是逃離了存在界之奴役的存有們 = 正如我們曾指出的 - 有些存有體逃脫了
（譯註：參見desteni人類歷史視頻）
we are not interested in any point that do not immediately include all points here-- no philosophy--no future -- no past
我們對於任何不立即在這裡包含所有要點的觀點都不感興趣——不管是哲學的——不管是未來的——不管是過去的
we will share what happened as a matter of explaining that nothing is a secret or special
我們將分享所發生的事情，以解釋沒有什麼事情是秘密或特殊的
and then stick to the basics that is the unification principle that transcend all ego through self directive application
然後堅持基本，即是透過自我主導應用超越所有小我的合一原則
self forgiveness to take unconditional responsibility at the individual level for all that ever happened in all ways by all beings
自我寬恕，以承擔起無條件的責任，在個體的層面，為了所有曾經在所有的面向所發生過的，由全體的存有所做出的
this place each equal to what is here
這令每個人平等於在此處的
in this self honesty is applied to stop all desire/for either greatness or revenge or any related point --to stop what has been allowed in the name of separation and spitefulness
在這之中，自我誠實被應用於停止所有的欲求：無論是追求偉大或復仇或任何相關的點 – 以停止在分離與惡意的名下被允許的事情
in this--common sense is applied to find practical ways of co-existence within a limited consciousness field that was necessary as we as beings are primarily based in spitefulness and self interest
在這之中，普同常識被應用來在有限的意識領域當中找到實際的共存方式，這是必要的，因為我們作為存有的主要基礎是惡意和自私自利
once this is transcended-- co-creation--as life equal here will be self expression -- and thus all polarity--self interest will not exist as it is not who we are
一旦這一點被超越了 - 共同創造 - 等同於平等生命在此處，將成為自我表達 - 因此所有極性 - 自私自利將不再存在，因為它不是我們本是者
all that is currently here--is who we are --equal and one
目前在這裡的一切 - 就是我們本身 – 同等如一
we have not time to discuss the various merits of groups or beings that dedicated their lives to finding a solution-- their dedication is their own reward in self honesty --some we will discuss--one of this is wingmakers
我們沒有時間討論那些奉獻一生尋找解決方案的團體或存有的各種功績——他們的奉獻本身即是他們在自我誠實當中所獲取的獎賞——我們將討論其中一些對象——其中之一是造翼者
those with self interest in wingmakers will react to what we say
那些在造翼者之中有著私人利益的人會對我們所說的話有所反應
each one at death are afforded a moment to investigate and check what we have done thus far --to see for themselves that all was done in equality and oneness as life here eternal
（但是）每個死去的人都會獲得一段時間去調查和檢查我們迄今為止所做的事情——親眼看見一切都是在平等和一體中，作為在此處的永恆生命，被完成的
this point was inevitable
這一點是不可避免的
suggest--this self realization be considered --and lets get one with what is relevant here as life
建議——考慮一下這種自我領悟——讓我們取得，與等同於此處的生命相關的一個（領悟）。
this will ask nothing more than a re-evaluation of everything in simplicity
這只不過是對於一切事物的一次單純的重新評估而已
this happens at death anyway--why wait?
無論如何，這會在死亡時發生——那為什麼要等（*到死後再做）呢？
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以下這段沒有被收錄在desteni官方網站當中，一樣來自舊版論壇
Postby Bernard Poolman » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:58 pm
Bernard Poolman張貼於2009/02/18
A few pointers
一些事項
one of the wingmakers integrated into "James" -- this is all linked to 1998-- as the wingmakers intent was to stop Anu --they had to wait till the system closed in 1998 to be able to present their message
其中一位造翼者融合到“詹姆斯”之內——這一切都與1998年有關聯——因為造翼者的意圖是要阻止阿努，他們不得不等到系統在1998年關閉才能夠傳達他們的信息。
（譯註：造翼者資料起始於1998年，即維度界與地球完全分離的那一年。）
this integration is similar to a walk-in and was part of the design of the soul construct using agreements
這種融合類似於「進駐」，是靈魂結構體設計的一部分，通過協議進行。
unfortunately we also found wingmakers that did similar integrations into humans on earth to plan their take-over so to speak -- note that the animals and plants and all other manifested form as life were not considered within the plans of the wingmakers
不幸的是，我們也發現有一些造翼者同樣以這種方式融合到地球上的人類中，來計劃他們的接管（可以這麼說）——需要注意的是，動物、植物以及所有其他作為生命的顯化形式並未被納入造翼者的計劃中。
their is though some points that can assist effectively
然而，還是有一些（造翼者資料的）要點可以帶來有效的協助
※官網還有收錄一段bernard的長篇留言我沒有翻譯，可以自行觀看。
譯註：造翼者另一篇與desteni資料有關的文章名稱為2014年聶魯達訪談第五篇：
https://www.wingmakers.com.cn/works.html?id=37
（連結如果壞掉請自行按照文章名稱google）
